944 S2 General Questions

[Stepo]

I recently purchased a 1990 S2, drove it back from Syd to Melb and currently have it in with the mechanic for a VIC RWC, then club plates.

I have a couple of questions I'm hoping other owners may be able to shed some light on:

1) when I indicate, both arrows in the dash flash at the same time. I have been told this is standard but suspect it is very different to what should be normal (left or right indicator should flash independently relative to turning direction, not both at the same time). Any feedback would be appreciated.

2) Previous owner had run 225x50x16 Toyos all round. I believe the spec suggests this is ok for the back, but 205x55x16 on the front. I may need to replace two tyres and also attend to a power steering rack leak. I'm wondering if the wider tyre on the front could have reduced the life of the rack and also interested in hearing thoughts on going back to 205 on the front.

[TINGY]

I recently purchased a 1990 S2, drove it back from Syd to Melb and currently have it in with the mechanic for a VIC RWC, then club plates.

I have a couple of questions I'm hoping other owners may be able to shed some light on:

1) when I indicate, both arrows in the dash flash at the same time.

Yep get used to it, that's how it is.

Don't think the tyres would make a huge amount of difference. Some people run wider than that, what is the problem with all these 944 steering racks at the moment, seems there are a lot of blowouts recently.

[Buchanan Automotive]

I think you will find the owner before the one you purchased it from( 2 owners ago ) got rid of the 7" standard rims on the front & installed a pair of 8"rims on the front , hence the 225/50/16 all round , we didn't do it , however its a common thing to do on 944S2's & 951's to reduce understeer & will allow the fitment of the much needed 951 TurboS / 928S4 bigger front brakes , because the standard 944S2 with its tiny front brakes( small Brembo's) barely stop at all , hence why Porsche had the bigger front brakes & wider front wheels as an expensive option 

And no, power steering oil leaks are just heat cycle related , meaning 27 year old oil seals( internal & external ) gone hard & worn & not sealing under the extreme pressure , thats why we have been overhauling power steering racks on 944, 944S2 ,951 ,968 ,928 ,928S ,928S4 .928GT  & GTS , 964 , 993 for the last 30 odd years 

I had to go outside to look at my 968 dash instrument cluster ( very similar to a 944S2 cluster ) , I never really looked at it before , but yes its correct the green arrowed indicator light in the dash is the one globe , there is no dedicated left or right

I have only been working on Porsche's for 40 years + and you are the first person ever to have pointed that out ( I have never ever noticed it ) , so yes it is correct  

Regards

Bruce Buchanan
Buchanan Automotive

PS , I vaguely remember the previous owner before the one you purchased it from used to mention about the very ordinary brakes and the understeer , so I mentioned to him ( years ago ) about what we do to 944S2 that we prepare to do Targa events , simple things like the front wheels ( square set up ) & the bigger front brakes that Porsche had as an option for these cars , I think he did the wheels but I can not remember if he up graded the brakes , too long ago 

[Stepo]

Thanks for the comments guys, must say I'm surprised by the indicator display but can live with that.

Bruce you legend, you are the 944 guru, like Yoda was to the Jedi, The Master! I thought the PO may have  just squeezed 225's onto the front rims so I'll measure them before going any further. If they are increased, I'll stick with the 225 to reduce understeer as you suggest.

Is there an easy way to tell if the brakes on a 944 have been upgraded, colour, markings, branding or size, etc? I think you told me 928 S4 was the preferred upgrade? 

[Plugger2]

"Tiny" front brakes? "Small" Brembos? LOL.

STANDARD FRONT BRAKES:  The standard front brakes on the 944 S2 are taken directly from the '87 and on standard 944 Turbo.  The pistons used in these 4-piston Brembo calipers are 36 and 40 mm in diameter (two each).  The brake pad width is 98 mm, the same as that of the famous original 911 Turbo (model 930).  The front rotors used with these standard calipers have a diameter of 298 mm (11.73 in) and a thickness of 28 mm (1.10 in).

M030 OPTION FRONT BRAKES:  A 944 S2 equipped with the very rare M030 Sports Suspension option uses the same size front brakes  as those used on the 1988 944 Turbo S or 1989 944 Turbo.  These larger Brembo calipers first appeared on the 928 S4 so are routinely referred to as the "S4 brakes."  The piston sizes are 36 and 44 mm and the corresponding brake pad width is a very substantial 132 mm.  The front rotors used with these "S4" calipers have a diameter of 304 mm (11.97 in) and a thickness of 32 mm (1.26 in).

M030 cars use different steering knuckles and hubs.  Different knuckles are required because the S4 caliper attaches using a radial mount as opposed to the axial mount for the standard caliper.  Different hubs are used to accommodate the 4 mm increased thickness of the M030 rotor.

REAR BRAKES:  The rear brakes on the 944 S2 also came from the 944 Turbo.    The piston sizes used in these 4-piston Brembo calipers are 28 and 30 mm in diameter.  The rear brake pads are exactly the same size as the standard front "930" pads.  The rear rotors have a diameter of 299 mm (11.77 in) and a thickness of 24 mm (0.94 in).

[ANF]

The 928 has the same single indicator globe, one of the first things that I noticed
You do get used to it..... I suppose their thought was that you pushed the lever so you should know which way you are going

[Diamond911]

I have only been working on Porsche's for 40 years + and you are the first person ever to have pointed that out ( I have never ever noticed it ) , so yes it is correct  

This was the first thing I noticed when I got in my 928 for the first time, and the first question my wife asked me when she drove it as well.  Just used to it now.

[Stepo]

"Tiny" front brakes? "Small" Brembos? LOL.

Thanks for the brake referencing Plugger, I'll see what I come up with.

Unfortunately my power steering leak needs more than just a little clamp tightening or hose replacement.  Looks like a total rebuild so no car back in the short term and some extra $ to correct .

On another note; I suspect many cars out there have similar issues with the digital clock not being visible?  Mine has what looks like a half circle covering the numbers, almost a screen leak which is apparently due to temperature changes.  I checked Pelican and they want $516USD for a new clock.  Just wondering if anyone has performed the clock repair?  I'm going to give it a go, around $50AUD and there's a nice German chap that provides good instructions on the repair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5Bg05vLuE

I have purchased the repair kit through ebay stores, WPO shop http://stores.ebay.com/wpo-shop?_dmd=2&_nkw=944+clock+repair

[Plugger2]

Thanks for the brake referencing Plugger, I'll see what I come up with.

Unfortunately my power steering leak needs more than just a little clamp tightening or hose replacement.  Looks like a total rebuild so no car back in the short term and some extra $ to correct .

Are you sure it's not leaking from the pump or the hose fittings? That's quite common, and much cheaper to repair.

The reason I ask is that when you have PS fluid leaking under there, it gets everywhere and it's quite hard to tell exactly where it's leaking from. The only way to tell is to clean it all off (I use brake cleaner and rags -- make sure you have plenty of ventilation, try not to breathe too much of the stuff) and then drive for a short distance and check again to see where it's coming from. The "bellows" on the ends of the rack get filled typically when it is the rack itself leaking. Give them a squeeze and see if any fluid comes out.

On another note; I suspect many cars out there have similar issues with the digital clock not being visible?  Mine has what looks like a half circle covering the numbers, almost a screen leak which is apparently due to temperature changes.  I checked Pelican and they want $516USD for a new clock . 

Just wondering if anyone has performed the clock repair?  I'm going to give it a go, around $50AUD and there's a nice German chap that provides good instructions on the repair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5Bg05vLuE

I have purchased the repair kit through ebay stores, WPO shop http://stores.ebay.com/wpo-shop?_dmd=2&_nkw=944+clock+repair

Yes, that's quite common -- I bought a used but good condition clock as a replacement for mine from a wrecker in the US a few years ago.

The WPO shop sell good stuff -- I've bought several things from them in the past. (BTW, it took me a while to figure the name out -- then I realised WP0 are the first three digits for the VIN of a Porsche!)

[Stepo]

Mate, I wish it was just a fitting but no go.

I was at the workshop when we gently pulled the rubber boot back and oil poured out like a tap was on.  The rack has been taken out and sent to a specialist for comment with intel coming back confirming a full rebuild required.  I was hoping something like this would've been easily identified in the PPI especially given oil was noted on the undercarriage, but obviously pulling the rubber boot back was not on the check list. 

[Buchanan Automotive]

Reality Check Time  ( 944S2 Non M030 & 951 Non M030 front Brakes )

Lets start at the beginning , the 1986 year model 944 Turbo( small Brembo front brakes ) , same size front & rear brake callipers , same size brake pads ( same part number ) front & rear , the 1986 951 has never had ABS , even as an option & the 1986 951 ( to this day ) in standard form has dreadful brakes , but period correct dreadful brakes
We even have trouble trying to get these under braked cars to even pass the RTA brake test at 45 Kmh to dead stop , because they want to lock up their rear brakes ( what a joke ) , the rear brakes are fine , its the fronts that are simply not working , hence why you have to use a lot of brake pedal travel in a low road speed ( 45 Kmh) to dead stop test

Now that I think of it even my old 6 cyl 1987 Ford Falcon Station wagon has much bigger front brake pads than the rear pads & what's more the 1987 standard front brake pads on this Ford Falcon are much bigger than the little front & rear brake pads on a standard 944S2 or a Non M030 951 ( quite funny really )

Note 1 )  Porsche knew this too & in 1988 Porsche introduced the 951 Turbo S , with the brakes on the front that fixed the car , meaning bigger calipers & bigger pads ( more surface area ) , but Porsche already had these larger Brembo's & Discs & pads on the 1986 928S as standard , meaning the same size calipers & pads & same front discs , meaning the 951 Turbo S has 928S( 1986 ) / 928S4 1987-1991 front brake discs & pads

Note 2 ) Porsche then found these 928S4 large front Brembo brakes were not big enough for their next generation 928 ( 928GTS ) 1992 - 1995  & these ( on the GTS) are known as the big blacks , very similar to the 993 Turbo big reds ( same dimensions in discs and pads )

In 1987 the 951 had a different front disc that instead of bolting onto the axle hub that the 1986 951 had , it now just slides on & ABS became standard & yes the brake pad size remained the same as the 1986 951 ( they are basically rear brake pads & calipers front & rear ) & the Brembo calipers had the same outside dimensions & the same thickness & same dia front discs as the terrible 1986 951 , so apart from some minor brake caliper piston changes over the years , it was the ABS that helped the 1987> 951 with standard small front brakes to reduce back wheel lock up ( that what ABS does ) but ABS didn't help the lack of brakes these poor 951 Porsche's had to suffer with terrible lack of braking power & feel ( down right dangerous ) & a big flaw in driving confidence , you end up driving a lot slower like we used to in the 1976 & 1977 3.0L 911 Turbo , that car had even worse brakes , virtually none , but period correct

The 951 Turbo S 1988 & 1989 etc  ( basically 928S4 front brake calipers , Discs& pads ) , this was the perfect solution to the 951 terrible brakes , these 928S4 front brakes are good enough to do Porsche Club Superspints with so long as they are matched with better brake hoses ( meaning newer / braided etc ) & with Pagid Orange brake pads ( used to be Pagid Blue in the old days ) = fantastic"relatively" inexpensive brake package for the 951 for street & novice Super Sprint driving

Now a 951 (1986 or non M030 1987 - 1990 ) with the small brembo's on the front ,even with Pagid Orange pads is dam near dangerous on the track , because the front brakes are too small } Simple Physics  , because they are rear brake calipers on the front "Way Too Small "

Note } there are quite a few 1990 951 Porsche's that are NON M030 , meaning small brakes & no suspension package ( poverty pack ) , just like the 968 Club Sport ( NON M030 ) poverty pack  , meaning no brakes & no suspension package

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This is a very timely subject

944S2 & 968 with the standard small front Brembo brakes( Non M030 ), not quite as bad as a standard small Brembo braked 951 because the 944S2 & the 968 have more engine braking ( with manual trans ) , not a lot more but at least its something

However , when driving down the road & like what happened to me this morning driving to work in my standard 968 (manual ), I was driving along Oliver St  Harbord at aprox 50 Kmh  & there was a car( coming from the other direction ) turned directly in front of me ( probably sun in their eyes) & I had to slam on the brakes of my 968 , my standard small front Brembo's were a joke in this situation , in a split second I knew my 968 was not going to pull up so I just turned hard left into the street to my left and we both ended up ( both cars ) side by side facing in the same direction in the same side street , its was just chance we didn't collide nor hit another car , I was kicking my self because I went to the trouble to buy in the "Turbo S " / 928S4 larger front brake calipers months ago & we keep the Racers Edge billet adaptors in stock , the only excuse for me having crap front brakes is us having too much work on and our owns Porsche's come last on the list to work on 

To give you an idea  how good a 944S2 or a 968 CAN BE in braking , you only have to drive a 968 with M030 ( bigger front brembo's ) same size as the 928S4 discs / pads / callipers , these cars just stop before you even think you have even gone for the brake pedal , its just stop here & now , it feels that much different , remember we just copied what Porsche fitted , we do not need to reinvent the wheel ( as the saying goes )

In the 968 , the most heart stopping at times is the standard 968 with Tip ( Automatic ) , the small ( standard ) front Brembo's , oh boy , very below average braking at all speeds

A good customer of ours , Tony Rose , dropped by our workshop late last year in his 1990 944S2 that we upgraded to the Porsche option M030 type of front brakes years ago , meaning the larger Brembo 928S4 / 951 Turbo S front brakes & naturally he is completely used to his 944S2 with excellent brakes , he needed to drive back to his house to pick something up and come back ( which is only 10 minutes away ) and his 944S2 was already on the hoist , so I threw Tony the keys to my 968 manual , I didn't mention the standard( non M030 ) small front brakes that my 968 has ( they are 944S2 front brakes ) & he drove off , he came back 20 minutes later & the first thing he said was " You're 968 has CRAP brakes " I nearly drove into the back of another car , that's because he had the confidence of the M030 type of brakes on his 944S2 , meaning his 944S2 stops like a modern car , not like an average early 1980's which was OK 30 years ago , but absolute crap in today's standards 

Even my wife's Hyundai IX35 stops a whole lot better from 60 Kmh to Zero than a standard 944S2 or 968 with the small front brakes , that shows how much brakes & brake feel has progressed in just average cars that we take for granted these days & that just things worse because it shows up older cars ( be it 951 Non M030 or early 4.5 928 (78 - 80 ) or 3.0L 911 Turbo 76-77 )  poor brake performance

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When we prepare customers 944S2's or 951 ( non M030 ) for Supersprint fun days , the first thing we do is get the car mechanically reliable , but we try to leave the suspension , brakes ,seats , completely standard ( but safe ) to drive just once on the track ( with "R" Spec tyres ) to see how bad these are on the track in standard ( 1980's ) form , this is a big "eye opener" for the owners & from that point they can see what we warned them of & we then go from there with more suitable suspension for track & street combo , then at the same time we upgrade the brakes , all we have to do is do what Porsche did ( not rocket science ) and install 928S4 / 951 Turbo S front brakes and Pagid Orange pads ( track days use only ) and proper new brake hoses & then from there they can really see the potential & we start doing things like more suitable shocks & springs & camber plates & then eventually Guards Transmission 4 plate LSD etc etc , to make the 944S2 a Porsche that can chase down & pass this century Porsche's on the track , its great fun

Bruce Buchanan
Buchanan Automotive   (  40 years and 2 months working on Porsche sport cars 6 days a week )



 

[Plugger2]

Interesting anecdotes, Bruce, but I've been driving 944s for nearly 20 years, and have yet to nearly drive into the back of anyone. Porsches in general have a reputation for being over-braked in factory spec, if anything, and the 944s are no exception. The four-pot Brembos with ABS in the S2 have always been superb in my experience (and yes, I do drive 21st century cars, lol.) Interestingly, I don't know if *any* of the 951 or S2 guys that track their cars at the local Porsche club have bothered to upgrade their brakes from factory spec (and certainly never heard any complaints about their brakes being inadequate in any way) -- as a reality check, I'll ask next time I'm there.

So as a complainer about the S2s standard brakes, you are the outlier in my experience. But let anyone who drives these cars make their own judgement and come to their own opinion -- it's frighteningly easy to tell if a car isn't stopping properly.

As for Hyundai -- why are you letting your wife drive a Hyundai? I wouldn't let anyone I cared about drive a Korean car -- seriously. Not having a gratuitous go at you here. I've seen what happens to them when they are in a prang. And that's because the last car that drove into the back of me while I was sitting at some lights was a Hyundai (fortunately not in my Porsche). Now that car was a POS. And to compare the braking on that vehicle in any way the to that on the S2 would just be an instant credibility destroyer, sorry.

[KGB]

@Plugger2 bravely pokes The Bear!

[Buchanan Automotive]

Hay Plugger2  you make me laugh & you're Porsche experience is so complete , you must be an experience Porsche technician for sure, its interesting that I do not see you name anywhere , are you hiding something ? or are you just a internet troll & hence do not want to show you're name 

[Plugger2]

Mate, I wish it was just a fitting but no go.

I was at the workshop when we gently pulled the rubber boot back and oil poured out like a tap was on.  The rack has been taken out and sent to a specialist for comment with intel coming back confirming a full rebuild required.  I was hoping something like this would've been easily identified in the PPI especially given oil was noted on the undercarriage, but obviously pulling the rubber boot back was not on the check list. 

Yeah, if fluids in the boot, that's pretty conclusive -- sorry to hear that.

There are rebuild kits you can buy from various sources -- I'm pretty sure Pelican sell one -- but the job looks fairly tedious. Lots and lots of o-rings mostly. There's at least one youtube clip that goes through the procedure. Other than that, I suspect the most cost-effective solution will be opting for a rebuilt unit, and sending yours back as a core. Just have to wait until you get a firm quote on the rebuild for your your unit to be sure. Ask if there is a warranty on the rebuild of any kind.

And I've had PPIs like that. You wonder what you were paying for. Even when you give them an explicit list of things that you want checked, they will miss spotting stuff on the list. That's extra annoying.

Hay Plugger2  you make me laugh & you're Porsche experience is so complete , you must be an experience Porsche technician for sure, its interesting that I do not see you name anywhere , are you hiding something ? or are you just a internet troll & hence do not want to show you're name 

Let's keep this civil, shall we? I'm not trolling you, I simply disagree with your assessment about S2 standard brakes, and I know I'm not alone in that, that's all. I promised I will even ask the guys that regularly track their cars to see what their opinions are on standard S2 and Turbo brakes. I will get back to you with their opinions, and see how they fit with yours.

[Stepo]

 

There are rebuild kits you can buy from various sources -- I'm pretty sure Pelican sell one -- but the job looks fairly tedious. Lots and lots of o-rings mostly. There's at least one youtube clip that goes through the procedure. Other than that, I suspect the most cost-effective solution will be opting for a rebuilt unit, and sending yours back as a core. Just have to wait until you get a firm quote on the rebuild for your your unit to be sure. Ask if there is a warranty on the rebuild of any kind.

And I've had PPIs like that. You wonder what you were paying for. Even when you give them an explicit list of things that you want checked, they will miss spotting stuff on the list. That's extra annoying.

$1300 for a rebuild, one would expect a warranty on the work.

I wouldn't consider attempting any of this myself, best left to the experts.

[Plugger2]

$1300 for a rebuild, one would expect a warranty on the work.

I wouldn't consider attempting any of this myself, best left to the experts.

Check out some of the UK shops for rebuilt exchange units. Here's the first one I found with a quick google:

https://www.porscheshop.co.uk/porsche-mechanical-parts/porsche-944-mechanical-parts-1982-to-1992/porsche-944-steering-1982-to-1992.html

At today's exchange rates ~AUD$916 before shipping, and you get a refund of ~AUD$243 if you send back your rack. So ~AUD$673 before shipping both ways.

[Buchanan Automotive]

Plugger what is you're name  , so I can refer to you correctly 

[Rob]

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On another note; I suspect many cars out there have similar issues with the digital clock not being visible?  Mine has what looks like a half circle covering the numbers, almost a screen leak which is apparently due to temperature changes.  I checked Pelican and they want $516USD for a new clock.  Just wondering if anyone has performed the clock repair?  I'm going to give it a go, around $50AUD and there's a nice German chap that provides good instructions on the repair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5Bg05vLuE

I have purchased the repair kit through ebay stores, WPO shop http://stores.ebay.com/wpo-shop?_dmd=2&_nkw=944+clock+repair

I did that job soon after I bought my 952 using a set of instructions that came with the new LCD.  Not a hard job.  I've got the 11 page instruction set that you can have if you need it.

Also - just had a look at the "WPO" EBay site - wasn't aware of that one, looks good for future reference, thanks Peter...

 

[Buchanan Automotive]

Plugger  ( I have No idea at all what you're name is ) , can you give me a list of front engined registered road cars that you know that have the same "small " rear brake callipers on the front as well on the rear "On The Same Car " , meaning  cars that have the same sized brake caliper & same sized brake pads Front & Rear ?

I can not think of another front engined car( any make ) with the same sized brake callipers & exact same brake pads front & rear , there must be something , but maybe you would know 

By the way , the reply you gave above, I found that quite offensive , how dare you mention about my wife in that vein , I its quite obvious you have no answers to just about anything Porsche , it stands out a mile 

Like all internet cowards( bullies ) you turned it personal ( bad mistake )& the reason you resorted to personal is because you have no idea of the technicalities you are trying to purvey  & this personal attack is all you can do 

I will expect an apology 

[Stepo]

Can anyone recommend a good supplier to replace worn symbols on the S2 toggle switches that sit in the console in front of the gear stick?

I don't know if they are the same for all 944's or possibly 968?

Also, to raise the sunroof, I press the toggle closest to the stick to go up but I would have expected it to be the other way. Could it be someone previous has just put the switch in upside down?

[Jason E]

I did that job soon after I bought my 952 using a set of instructions that came with the new LCD.  Not a hard job.  I've got the 11 page instruction set that you can have if you need it.

Also - just had a look at the "WPO" EBay site - wasn't aware of that one, looks good for future reference, thanks Peter...

 

Thanks for the brake referencing Plugger, I'll see what I come up with.

Unfortunately my power steering leak needs more than just a little clamp tightening or hose replacement.  Looks like a total rebuild so no car back in the short term and some extra $ to correct .

On another note; I suspect many cars out there have similar issues with the digital clock not being visible?  Mine has what looks like a half circle covering the numbers, almost a screen leak which is apparently due to temperature changes.  I checked Pelican and they want $516USD for a new clock.  Just wondering if anyone has performed the clock repair?  I'm going to give it a go, around $50AUD and there's a nice German chap that provides good instructions on the repair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5Bg05vLuE

I have purchased the repair kit through ebay stores, WPO shop http://stores.ebay.com/wpo-shop?_dmd=2&_nkw=944+clock+repair

Stepo & Rob,

I will watch your clock experiment with interest.  I was only watching the German blokes clock repair video yesterday.  (I love it every time he says Kaput !!-  Takes me back to watching Hogans Heros in the 70's).

My clock is Kaput as well.  I saw the clock repair kits at WPO & a few others here & there.  I was just wondering though whether it is worth removing the clock all together & perhaps retro fitting something a little more modern?  Of course it would not be original but I assume that crappy digital clock will be hard to read at the best of times.

 

 

[Buchanan Automotive]

Sean& I have been fitting the digital clock repair/ refurbish  kits to these digital clocks for years , inexpensive & good results , we even keep the left of dash trim( R/H/D version ) section in stock because these plastic trims , be it the long left section( that the clock secures into ) or the centre (  climate control cover )get very fragile in old age & or humans are not sure how to remove these trim planels and will inevitable crack or break the securing plastic end sections off & thats why you will see so many 944 series 1986 - 1995 that the centre "black only " centre of dash trims do not fit well ( they are broken ) , thats why we keep the new ones in stock 

Regards

Bruce Buchanan 
Buchanan Automotive 

[Jason E]

Sean& I have been fitting the digital clock repair/ refurbish  kits to these digital clocks for years , inexpensive & good results , we even keep the left of dash trim( R/H/D version ) section in stock because these plastic trims , be it the long left section( that the clock secures into ) or the centre (  climate control cover )get very fragile in old age & or humans are not sure how to remove these trim planels and will inevitable crack or break the securing plastic end sections off & thats why you will see so many 944 series 1986 - 1995 that the centre "black only " centre of dash trims do not fit well ( they are broken ) , thats why we keep the new ones in stock 

Regards

Bruce Buchanan 
Buchanan Automotive 

Cheers Bruce,

I did just buy a second hand long left trim piece as mine does have a crack in it (wish I knew you guys had them in stock!!)  I will watch a couple of youtube videos to make sure I do it right & don't bugger it.  I bought a set of trim removal tools that hopefully will make the job easier.  Is there a technique hint or tip for safe trim removal you can clue me in on or is it just experience that helps? Last thing I want to do is break the new (2nd hand so probably brittle new one).  

I will order a clock repair kit asap.  Is the WPO shop on ebay the best place to pick them up do you think?

By the way (a question for Bruce or anyone else that may be in the know)- I've been looking to buy a new leather shift boot for my car & all the usual places seem to sell every colour EXCEPT the interior colour in my car.  The very distinguished & exclusive Marine Blue is so bloody exclusive that I don't seem to be able to find a new one anywhere.  Any ideas anyone?? 

cheers, Jason.

[TINGY]

Can anyone recommend a good supplier to replace worn symbols on the S2 toggle switches that sit in the console in front of the gear stick?

I don't know if they are the same for all 944's or possibly 968?

Also, to raise the sunroof, I press the toggle closest to the stick to go up but I would have expected it to be the other way. Could it be someone previous has just put the switch in upside down?

It's good to see that your 944 is the same as every other one around this place, welcome to the club.

 

Stepo & Rob,

I will watch your clock experiment with interest.  I was only watching the German blokes clock repair video yesterday.  (I love it every time he says Kaput !!-  Takes me back to watching Hogans Heros in the 70's).

My clock is Kaput as well.  I saw the clock repair kits at WPO & a few others here & there.  I was just wondering though whether it is worth removing the clock all together & perhaps retro fitting something a little more modern?  Of course it would not be original but I assume that crappy digital clock will be hard to read at the best of times.

 

 

My clock is fine Jason and is easy to read from everywhere in the car, do the kit, it's got to be worth it i reckon.

The very distinguished & exclusive Marine Blue is so bloody exclusive that I don't seem to be able to find a new one anywhere.  Any ideas anyone?? 

cheers, Jason.

Oh shit here we go.