Left hand 930 value

[Mick]

Ok so here goes. A year ago I got the good mail on an 83 930 that had been in storage for 15years + and could be purchased for a good price, so yes I'm in I said. Long story short a month later on a trailer and heading home. We spent the next couple of months cleaning and doing all the standard things to get the car up and running. It was about then that the car gods drop kicked me right in the middle leg. Everything we went to fix needed replacement fuel tank even had to be replaced with new Porsche one. So finally ready to fire her up and that sinking feeling of something not quite right which turned out to be all Porsche guys favourite thing, broken head studs??. Ok off down the slippery slope we go from what started out as a great value 930 to burn around in has turned in to a near concourse mechanical restoration, I'm embarrassed to say what sort of money I've spent to date but the hole experience has put my Porsche fire out and now I'm looking to just cut my loss and move on. So here's the big question for all  the experts on 930 values out there , what is a realistic price to expect ?  It's an 83 left hand drive car originally delivered to the UAE then to Hong Kong burgundy with special ordered white dash and trim. I can't list everything I've replaced I don't have time but let's just say I can't think of what I haven't done. Short list of the real expensive stuff , full engine inc pistons barells ,clutch ,gearbox k27 turbo NOS waste gate new fabspeed muffler $2600 all suspension bushes bearings cv boots etc etc etc. The wheels were refurbished by Depulu wheels @ a cost of nearly 2k to factory finish & new tires naturally as well. New hood lining& sunroof cables. Callipers have been reco'd and refinished new rotors and pads. Fuel pumps new front and rear , fuel distributor has been reco'd as well as the warm up REG I've bought all new lenses for it, new front and rear  rubber lip spoiler  (Porsche) .I know there's a hell of a lot more done and I have receipts for everything I've not used a second hand anything for the car and if I knew how I'd post build pics to date. So GO what's the $$$$$ value and no I don't want the flip price thanks but I'd like a realistic idea. 

[hugh]

Very good question. I unfortunately have no idea but I'm sure others will chime in with their 2 cents. @RSR Garage would be worth asking, Rob would know what you could expect re: a realistic sale price. 

[jnr356]

no mention of the body/paint ?

[SimonN]

As mentioned, there are still some factors involved with valuing it, such as body and paint condition. I think you have lots going for you, with all the work done, but against that you have lhd and the white interior. The bad news is that you never get your money back on all the work, but you should be protected by having bought it at a good price. IMO, anybody who thinks they can value that car is taking a stab in the dark. To the right person, it's worth a fairly high price but that person has to be in the market for a car and if they aren't in the market, it becomes hard to shift. My uneducated "stab in the dark"would be $150-175k if you are patient and wait for the right buyer.

[Mick]

no mention of the body/paint ?

Fortunately body and paint are excellent 

[Cars And Coffee Byron Bay]

I think I recall checking that one out. I was quoted $8k to redo the white upholstery to something less like a pimp's car.  

@symsy

[Mick]

I think I recall checking that one out. I was quoted $8k to redo the white upholstery to something less like a pimp's car.  

@symsy

I'd rather not have "I think"comments thanks, but as for the interior it's near perfect apart from the head lining which I had replaced with the correct one ,a clean and a bit of minor work and is now as good I think it could be. So I doubt you've seen this car but certainly not in need of an $8000 interior job. It's also not a full white interior, there's quite a bit of burgundy throughout which sets it off awesomely. 

[Airhead]

Zere vill be no zinkng here!

[GUT]

I'd love to see it. Sounds like an interesting car if delivered to UAE with special order trim - white on burgundy sounds like 80's at it's best. Do you have any pics?

If it's original trim and bodywork & paint is excellent and you've taken care of the mechanicals, then you'd expect to have decent value. LHD seems to matter to some, not so much to me. There's a whole lot more LHD 930's than RHD ones - but also a wider international market. Does it have books and any history?

 

[Mick]

Especially detrimental thinking 

[Mike D'Silva]

Rings a bell.... Darren Boman perhaps?

 

[michel]

I'd love to see it. Sounds like an interesting car if delivered to UAE with special order trim - white on burgundy sounds like 80's at it's best. Do you have any pics?

If it's original trim and bodywork & paint is excellent and you've taken care of the mechanicals, then you'd expect to have decent value. LHD seems to matter to some, not so much to me. There's a whole lot more LHD 930's than RHD ones - but also a wider international market. Does it have books and any history?

 

sir I think I should refer you to the 944 sale price thread... 

 

[GUT]

sir I think I should refer you to the 944 sale price thread... 

 

And settle in for the night

[symsy]

135 Without a picture as its sounds like you done some of the hard yards .. remember Flip prices are what people cross the road to put in your hand. The rest is good luck , wishfull thinking or a shit load of marketting dollars behind it.     Mint in your perception .. is a very highly contested position by many I bet..

In  the past 6 months .. I have heard of 930s converted IN ok condition probably needing work 80k  , so with a plus 30k safety buffer 110-150 is prob the normal not dealer sale market.

How longs is the piece of string ?   I would be asking Turbo T ..

For me if I can buy RHD 150k-175k minter Aussie cars.. I would prefer that to a left 

PS - The markets soft well soft .. needing a viagra soft 

[SimonN]

If the car really is as goo as is claimed, I suspect th best way of selling it would be through one of the specialist stealers dealers that has international connections. It'a car that is probably worth more overseas than here and they can take the risk out if sending it out if the country. Give CTS a call.

[9er]

Hi Mick, sorry to hear that the cost blowout has spoiled your Porsche 930 experience.

 

I think you did the right thing though, in following it through, and by the sound of it doing it correctly.

There are still a lot of seemingly small things that WILL affect the value, however based on your description I would think somewhere around $140K

 

Someone worth contacting since it is LHD would be Chris Bowden from Ecurie

[Mick]

Thanks for all the input guys I've still got probably a couple of months to finish it off and I'll get some assistance with uploading pics of the build. Thanks again Mick. 

[Coastr]

I agree that the international market beckons.  The interior sounds interesting to me - someone originally ordered it so someone else will love it and have to have it.  They might be in oz but they could also be anywhere.

[Mike D'Silva]

Thanks for all the input guys I've still got probably a couple of months to finish it off and I'll get some assistance with uploading pics of the build. Thanks again Mick. 

I can help you upload photos.. 

[sandy468]

$150 if mint with books, $140 mint no books, $130 not mint but actually excellent, and $120 most probably as there is always more things that aren't done on cars when someone's had enough up to here with the "rebuild" especially when they weren't actually buying for a rebuild - and the wallet has been blasted and ""and now I'm looking to just cut my loss and move on"". Depends how quick you want to move on, or "move it on". You're in so far now Mick, IMO may as well spend the time fix every last thing and market it on the world stage and be patient and stick to your price .. If there's enough burgandy/ black to offset the solid white int, I can see it looking quite good on the eye ...GLWS

Oh, and I assume matching numbers?

[michel]

Im deeply curious on this world market aspect. What's a  decent left hooker go for in country of origin ( delivery) let alone california or other big LHD market.?

if they are available and they are, this specimen must, should then have special  attributes to find an O/S buyer.

 

[SimonN]

Im deeply curious on this world market aspect. What's a  decent left hooker go for in country of origin ( delivery) let alone california or other big LHD market.?

if they are available and they are, this specimen must, should then have special  attributes to find an O/S buyer.

 

I have to disagree. You would expect the car to fetch the similar money in Europe as any LHD car of the same spec. Even if it sells a little less, if that price is higher than what people will pay here for a lhd car, it makes sense to consider selling it overseas.Without full details and pictures, it is hard to truly value, but if the car is as good as it seems it is, it could be worth $50k more in Europe so even after costs, you would be better off and because there are far more buyers there, it should sell quicker than here. 

The USA is, IMO, a non starter.

[michel]

Whilst this isn't helping Mick that much here is a lhd 930 at Duttons. No idea if current or not 

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.jamesedition.com/cars/porsche/930/1986-porsche-930-turbo-3-3-lhd-for-sale-1212854.amp

I disagree simon - respectfully ? though I do get you are discerning between what it could realise if sold to an overseas buyer, as opposed to what sellers here think value is by pegging their car to international sales data. But even with currency differential surely  it has to be priced real attractively I'd suggest to warrant an O/s buyer  mucking about with inspections transport costs import duties ... a 3.3 930 as cool as this one sounds ain't a 73 UK TARGA S or a 964 RS

Canowindra ain't Kansas.

 

I know this is all forum dribble mick so apologies.  iwith the O/S sales thing and while seems some have independently brokered an O/S sale, @jamesP a recent example on a Carrera 3, what is the reality?

How many here who have sold a car recently has fielded serious Intl interest?

How many here have sold a car independently O/S through say a carsales ad?

 

genuinely curious.

now @mick let's see some pics 

 

 

[SimonN]

 

 disagree simon - respectfully ? though I do get you are discerning between what it could realise if sold to an overseas buyer, as opposed to what sellers here think value is by pegging their car to international sales data. But even with currency differential surely  it has to be priced real attractively I'd suggest to warrant an O/s buyer  mucking about with inspections transport costs import duties ... a 3.3 930 as cool as this one sounds ain't a 73 UK TARGA S or a 964 RS

Canowindra ain't Kansas.

 

I know this is all forum dribble mick so apologies.  iwith the O/S sales thing and while seems some have independently brokered an O/S sale, @jamesP a recent example on a Carrera 3, what is the reality?

How many here who have sold a car recently has fielded serious Intl interest?

How many here have sold a car independently O/S through say a carsales ad?

 

genuinely curious.

 

Michel

Please reread my original comment. At no time do I suggest that Mick tries to sell the car overseas on his own. You need to do it through a specialist and in this regard, i would be talking to CTS because they do sell a reasonable number of cars overseas, including to Europe. it does depend on the exchange rate. 

The issue for me is fairly straight forward. There are very few buyers for LHD cars here in Oz. Just look at the prices being asked. It's close to criminal. Overall, our prices seem to be roughly based on UK prices and you then add a premium for Aus delivered and take a chunk off off for lhd. Yet UK prices are closely linked to European prices. It's pretty clear that a lhd car in Europe sells for significantly more than an lhd car does here in Oz. The question is how to take advantage of that and it is unlikely to be through carsales.

[Cars And Coffee Byron Bay]

When I sold my highly original 1972 911 T in Tangerine, factory paint, all log books and even details of every drive it had ever taken.......I put the feelers out locally and O/S.    I had a lot of tyre kickers from the USA, but they were all scared off by the thought of shipping the car from AU.  They all offered around 40% LESS than I sold it for to an Australian "buyer" who paid what I was hoping for and bought it without seeing it.    .   As Michel said....USA market stinks.   EU - I have no idea.