Stew F Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 The other day a friend of mine, a non Porsche guy, who likes 911's, asked me why you don't see 911's modified in the way you see other cars done. His comment was that although the modded cars look great, they're not really what you would car a modified car. I can see his point of view, being a former hotrodder myself, and also having had a few muscle cars and classics. So it got me thinking. Is it because we're not starting out with a $1500 shitbox? Our entry price is high. Are protecting our "investment" in staying true to the 911 basics? Is the 911 not open to serious radical modification? Are we unwittingly trying to achieve a "look"? Or are we just not into those levels of customising? Your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 I don't think it has much to do with values personally. Maybe that has changed the minds of those owners who may have wanted to modify their cars over the past few years due to their collectibility/value, but I think in general, it's the iconic original styling commands that you don't need to attack one with a recip saw! Overall, and not thinking about the Porsche history OR collectibility here, 911's are an attractive car as they are, and don't need modifying like a 32 hot rod etc. Spose we all want our cars to express our personal version of Porsche nirvana, with subtle changes and little modifications here and there with rims, lowered, paint, backdating etc, yet 9.7 cars out of 10 will retain the standard 911 shape that suits an individual. Whether ones personal styling is attractive to another owner of a similar car is totally up to them, as we all have different tastes. I'd really prefer you didn't fit that Poraga bodykit you bought recently for your car though Stew. Have some dignity man! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 I'll have a crack........... Porsche's generally speaking are sports/motor sport derived cars and as standard offer a pretty good package. As a result, modifications tend to be more purposeful and true to the overall original design/flavour/ethos. "Hot rods", "customs" or what ever you want to call them tend to be built around 1. looking a certain way then 2. having a massive HP engine (or similar effect). How they drive/perform in terms of a sports car/motor sport dynamic rarely comes into the equation. To use bikes as an example, its Harley vs sports bike, very different propositions in terms of usage, input and outputs. Hot rods tend to do better burnouts, Porsches tend to go around corners better. Different strokes for different folks............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 28January, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 8 minutes ago, LeeM said: I don't think it has much to do with values personally. I'd really prefer you didn't fit that Poraga bodykit you bought recently for your car though Stew. Have some dignity man! ? Me either. That was one of the questions he asked. My personal thought is that's not the type of enthusiasts we are. So what do I do with it now? Maybe put it on an early Celica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 1 minute ago, Stew F said: So what do I do with it now? Maybe put it on an early Celica. "KLASSY III" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 28January, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 5 minutes ago, hugh said: Harley vs sports bike This. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 @hugh That was poetry mate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3legs Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 Hmmm lets see, a 911 with a supercharger sticking out of its bum, neon lights underneath, flash chameleon paint job and 10000 watts of stereo inside. Yep fully sick bro!!!!! Now off to slap myself across my face before everyone else does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 FUGLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stew F Posted 28January, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 5 minutes ago, Troubleshooter said: FUGLY Yep. Even an RWB is ugly to me. Subtly is the key I think. Why change a beautiful shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 I'm a fan of this creation but not too many of his others. Way more a fan of this, after all it's a Porsche factory custom that hardly needs any tweaking, if at all, for a factory custom along the lines of the original Porsche ethos OR THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 1 hour ago, Stew F said: Yep. Even an RWB is ugly to me. Subtly is the key I think. Why change a beautiful shape. Mmmmm, some I like, some I don't. Some don't like backdates (heathens!) yet I understand why people prefer a stock car to one that has been changed cosmetically The Rothmans liveried RWB is bloody stunning in my eyes https://goo.gl/images/t8ZRGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZ930 Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 1 hour ago, Stew F said: Yep. Even an RWB is ugly to me. Subtly is the key I think. Why change a beautiful shape. I think with Porsche it is about getting a race car look, as opposed to outlandish alterations, but there are exceptions, as we all know. ...and I am a heathen. Remember the old saying : "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 Maybe the factory got it pretty close to 'just right'. I think there's a much greater acceptance of modification (and willingness to modify) than say 10 to 15 years ago. The backdate & targa/track mods as pics above are stayers but the likes of RWB & Magnus is a relatively recent thing. I remember being tut tutted as the exhaust on my C3.0 wasn't the original size when I purchased it...it was a friendly tut tut however that was the common thought at the time. So while it's not as common as the early hot rod crowd I think it's moved a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter John Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 You do see mods- but the era plays a part. These cars are a fast back- do you see any other branded fastbacks modded body wise? Anything other than flares? Remember the journey of a hot rod started pre and post war more so. Stock car, remove fenders, typically a roadster as it all began in socal, make it light, put big tyre at the back, and put any speed part possible on your motor (alloy heads, cam, more carbies), then a quick change for racing in a straight line in town and at top speed at the lakes. These guys were trained whilst at war and had a need for adrenaline. Customs started shortly after with chopped tops, moulded headlights and grilles from other brands for the aesthetics. body drops (channelled/sectioned). Was it that euros had more mountains with twisty roads they just wanted to gain pace asap and corner quickest? Body mods of no use? Aero by the factory but in the back yard maybe its just the bolt ons/offs? My 2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 Generally, undesirables get modded to make them desirable,except by heretics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 28January, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 All good thoughts. Keep them coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 this.. this is amazing 6m56s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 Maybe it's just me, but minilite's on a Porsche don't work to my eye. I have 2 other cars, a 70's Capri and mk2 escort, both with minilites.they are my favourite wheel. Once you 13 or 14", its hard to get the looks right. Like a mouthful of teeth , but beauty of a car otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 9 minutes ago, deano said: Maybe it's just me, but minilite's on a Porsche don't work to my eye. Phew! Lucky I'm fitting Superlites! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZ930 Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gavin (CliffToCoast) said: Maybe the factory got it pretty close to 'just right'. I think there's a much greater acceptance of modification (and willingness to modify) than say 10 to 15 years ago. The backdate & targa/track mods as pics above are stayers but the likes of RWB & Magnus is a relatively recent thing. I remember being tut tutted as the exhaust on my C3.0 wasn't the original size when I purchased it...it was a friendly tut tut however that was the common thought at the time. So while it's not as common as the early hot rod crowd I think it's moved a long way. Modification has been around a bit longer than 10 to 15 years. I remember in the late 70's early 80's when long hoods were being forward dated to Turbo look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelrik911 Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 3 hours ago, LeeM said: Phew! Lucky I'm fitting Superlites! ? But but : in Victoria Superlites can only be sold as trailer wheels. I have a memory (unreliable?) that there was an Insurance problem ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 25 minutes ago, OZ930 said: Modification has been around a bit longer than 10 to 15 years. I remember in the late 70's early 80's when long hoods were being forward dated to Turbo look. That worked out well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28January, 2018 Report Share Posted 28January, 2018 15 minutes ago, Zelrik911 said: But but : in Victoria Superlites can only be sold as trailer wheels. I have a memory (unreliable?) that there was an Insurance problem ages ago. Hmmm, interesting! Might have to look into that here in SA. Cheers for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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