Vas Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Sounds like a great idea to me. More power, more potential power for those that like to hot rod, better emissions, smaller capacity engine. Nothing "gullible" about that, just a responsible company responding to a new era. Win Win Win for all The only people I ever hear complain about the cornering of the old turbo's are people that don't know how to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJames Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Ahhh Vas...Somebody said "Turbo", and there were you!It's like the bat signal, but different.Good to "see you" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 The only people I ever hear complain about the cornering of the old turbo's are people that don't know how to drive. Maybe , but Tony Dron used the word ":menace" He also stated that the same driver on a B road would be quicker in a NA would be quicker than in a 930 (not sure if he meant 76-77 MYs) where you can only drive at 7/10 . cf on the track. Targa Tas it's NAs all the way , though my neighbour won his class once in his 400hp beast; said it was a bit hairy in the wet, though he is a master of the understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 The point is that to make power, you've got to burn fuel. Each engine design is a little bit more efficient at max power than the previous, so that is good. Turbos allow for an engine that meets the regs that the enviro-rules guys lay down - in the same way an amg merc meets the sound regs with a bimodal valve. The engines are tuned for meeting the regs - but if driven spiritedly, use pretty much the same amount, resulting in the same amount of exhaust by products. Add in the increased complexity and likely shorter service life and any minuscule real-world emissions benefits are gone - not that the tiny amount of Porsches sold in the big picture make any difference anyway. If you really believe by buying a turbo 4 over an atmo 6 that you are making an iota of difference to the atmosphere, well, that's putting belief over reality. 'I want a cayman with a Subaru engine' - said nobody, ever. Porsche knew exactly what it was doing when it released the boxster with 6 cylinders instead of 4, even though it as a comparatively small 2.5. It's in the the category of impact bumpers getting forced on the buyers rather than all cars getting einspritzen or whatever the German word is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregAx Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Guys the stigma surrounding the 930's lag is really not that bad when you learn how to drive it. For me it's mainly exaggerated due to the long gearing of the 4 speed to the extent of pulling up to 150 still in second. That's where an NA P car will be quicker, down low around the B roads no doubt but once the road opens up things do change. It does chew up the road pretty quickly. It's a GT car at heart and I love it. That's my take on it........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 +1 Greg, its been a beat up from the get go. Yes the 3L cars were a bit of a pig (but a great collector car) Coastr.. the "reality" is that you may drive your Porsche at max maybe 10% of its life ,so the over all emissions are far better over the life of the car. I remember in about 1979 at Winton when the Turbo's started running P club events. I was there with Dad racing his 75 2.7( a fast NA Porsche) for the time. The Turbo cars made everything look ridiculous, in fact it was almost dangerous to have them on the same track. Winton was hardly a point and squirt track and the tight Morwell hill climb was dominated by turbo cars also. The track record was and still is held by a 930. The old B Road thing comes up all the time, the NA guys seem to believe it to be true, maybe around a go kart track it maybe a fact.(talking old Porsches here) The Targa Tas was dominated by NA P cars, but that is due to the rules rather than any other factor. Even the top Targa guys now say that the NA Porsche is just to underpowered to keep it up. I love all Porsche Cars, but lets keep a bit of perspective on things before the old P car owner is living in the same fantasy land as the owners of "revy," "spritely", "spirited" old British cars. All of which just means slow , but it makes them feel good Tazzie.. your mate must have been a good driver as a win under those rules would be a hard task Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Oh, and thanks James. Nice to see you are still around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Ahhhhhh 930 turbo ..... I personally wouldn't care if an old Datsun 120y beat it over the 1/4 mile or if it emitted more emissions than the Titanic ......I would sell my car and probably one of my kids to put one in the driveway .... I envy those of you that have one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Speedway Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 I tend to think an NA 911, rather than a 930 would be the best way to experience true "drivers" kind of road if we are talking B roads. Saying that I have never driven an NA 911. The 930 is a different thing I think, does not mean the same driver won't enjoy the same road in one. They will still have a grin on their face that would be hard to hide. "B" grade roads round here in a 930 use 2nd and 3rd gear. Once a 930 is pulling hard in 2nd, you are generally over the state limit. And nobody here would do that now would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Oh, don't get me wrong, I love turbos. Maybe i am nostalgic for when a car with turbo on its flanks meant something special. I just hate to see the death of the NA engine for very marginal reasons. Sports Cars with small production runs should fall under a different category like vans and utes do. Ultimately - these cars are mainly bought for the enjoyment, and the engine noise and response is part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Tazzie.. your mate must have been a good driver as a win under those rules would be a hard task Yes he is (lap record at Baskerville , a very tight track) and has huge balls. Also driving a 600hp monster from the past , around Winton etc this year , well into his 6th decade. Haven't you upgraded your turbo & exhaust , to reduce the factory lag? The earliest ones have a fair reputation (maybe coloured by the incidents of first owners - many who were wealthy average drivers - and the fact that Europe and USA/Canada get snow & ice). When the road's wet , all bets are off unless one is lucky enough to drive a 928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Yes I did Tazzie, however the beast now has a new home. I miss that car to the point it actually makes me feel physically sick (no joke). Anyhow, nice to find some common ground on something As for the 928, did you know they designed the Ford Sierra off the 928 (true story). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 As for the 928, did you know they designed the Ford Sierra off the 928 (true story). No I didn't , but it would be disturbing if that was the other way around! Mind you they invented the 917 to take on Ford & Enzo The old Porsches will always instil passion in me , not just for nostalgic reasons. We have been lucky to live through these past decades. Hell I am even thinking of getting an old vintage car one day, but not an Austin 7 or MG. Maybe no turbo - but a supercharger would be entertaining. Sorry Stuttgart , we must talk up the next gen of cars for you Back to topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Ahhhgrrrr, we just strike some common ground and you ruin it with the words Austin 7. Why good Sir would a man do that to himself Anyhow, with my self imposed limit of one post per month, now I will see you in 5 months. Please do not reply with anything to make me reply again, I need some wiggle room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatSix Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 I tend to think an NA 911, rather than a 930 would be the best way to experience true "drivers" kind of road if we are talking B roads. Saying that I have never driven an NA 911. The 930 is a different thing I think, does not mean the same driver won't enjoy the same road in one. They will still have a grin on their face that would be hard to hide. "B" grade roads round here in a 930 use 2nd and 3rd gear. Once a 930 is pulling hard in 2nd, you are generally over the state limit. And nobody here would do that now would they? Well I have the same motor as the 930 but the G50 5 speed, 2nd gear was still enough to prohibit me from driving it for 6 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 19February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 loving the turbo banter guys. Its status is still alive! Interesting no one has yet to chime in with cars later than a 930. for me the best looking of them all, and of course the original, but does no one have a 964, 993, 996, 997. 991...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 19February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 sorry flat 6 - 964 comments noted and appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 wow makes me glad I didn't get a 964 turbo then, if that's how they drive. mines quick off the mark but then it explodes into hyperspace on boost. No telegraph involved at all but then I also have to put up with that annoying perfect 50/50 balance too ;PIf you don't have turbo lag, your turbo is too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 If you don't have turbo lag, your turbo is too small. lol that could very well be true and I'm sure Pauly agrees My Vitesse stage 2 arrives tomorrow and I am told it spools real nice and is very solid up top. Less lag and more boost maybe possible but will see once it's fitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 If you don't have turbo lag, your turbo is too small. Then I must have small turbos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott930 Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Then I must have small turbos. I think the lag reference must be to those of us that only have a measly single turbo, not you greedy ones that have multiple turbos!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJames Posted 19February, 2015 Report Share Posted 19February, 2015 Ahhhgrrrr, we just strike some common ground and you ruin it with the words Austin 7.Why good Sir would a man do that to himself Anyhow, with my self imposed limit of one post per month, now I will see you in 5 months.Please do not reply with anything to make me reply again, I need some wiggle room I'll just leave this here, with the question "What's not to like?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonk Posted 20February, 2015 Report Share Posted 20February, 2015 Yes I did Tazzie, however the beast now has a new home. I miss that car to the point it actually makes me feel physically sick (no joke). Anyhow, nice to find some common ground on something As for the 928, did you know they designed the Ford Sierra off the 928 (true story). Never understood why you got rid of that car Vas. It was certainly my favourite PFA car. Sounds like you need another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 20February, 2015 Report Share Posted 20February, 2015 Now had Porsche gone the turbo route with the 928 (the potential was on the Zuffenhausen table) , that would have been interesting. Retrofitted ones are by all accounts , rather fun. Then the choice becomes one of aesthetics , nostalgia or religious persuasion. And just for Vas , here is the 1935 Austin 7 for Le Mans purposes, avec le supercharger Complete with side impact protection system delete option, available to gentlemen with large vegetables Like the 911 turbo , I imagine rather fun . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJames Posted 20February, 2015 Report Share Posted 20February, 2015 Scha-winnnngggg!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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