sandy468 Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Hi everyone,Newbie (Sandy) here and introed myself in the new intro thread, Z4 owner as I said there, (please don't shoot me or cancel my account!) and anyways, sick of the Z4 and have been looking around here for a little while and I think it's time for a 911. A 993 to be specific. I convinced my girl it's the way to go and she'll love it but against my choice she has to have a convertible, I want a coupe but oh well I'll live with a cabriolet after all it's still a 911. We have looked at this in person a few times now and it seems to be rather good and I've learned through here and carsales.com.au that the cabs in tiptronic are the cheapest - and that suits us coz that's about all we can afford to get into a nice 993. Please learned gentlemen, does $50,000 seem reasonable for this? It's hard for me to know coz I don't have much to compare it to. It's at the Healy Factory in Mitcham Vichttp://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1995/OAG-AD-946000/?Cr=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Get a PPI OR even an unrushed inspection by someone who knows these cars first and if there are no surprises, buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 What he said. Ppi not from them, and not from their mates is needed.Full engine rebuild in these can cost more than $20k if the prior owner stuffed things up. Make sure you get leakdown and compression tests.The drivers seat wear looks normal for the mileage.What is the condition of the roof motors? I'd fear owning one, but I've had worse.As for the price, I would have thought 10% lower would be closer to the truth (pending ppi result). Good luck with it (and nothing too wrong with z4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 29July, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Thanks guys, I would definitely get a proper report done by someone before handing over the $$$$ - Overall it seems in very good knick and I even thought it might be quite cheap at that price when compared to coupes, it seems to be half the price of a coupe, what would a comparable tiptronic coupe go for? One of the reasons I like the 993 is that they seem to be going up in price nicely compared to our z4 that is just spiralling downhill year after year....and the 993 is a sexy beast, even a cab, and seems to be a fabulous car from what I've read. Yes Chris I haven't tested the roof down yet and I imagine a roof motor would be pricey...like everything on Euro cars ...I'm thinking a minor service on a 993 would be around $1000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 tip coupe are advertised for $75-$85. I do know of a recent purchase where the price started with a $6......The tip cab would be less "desirable" than my tip coupe for many people. However, for you, it's more desirable. The final price really depends on the condition. It will either cost more to purchase, or more to maintain.....but either way the overall cost will be similar Buy the best that you can afford.Service costs can vary widely. I can't comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 I reckon the price is about right for that car in that colour combo in a varioram.A tip coupe will need another $25K. If you can stretch it, may be a great choice or if you like the convertible feel, maybe a manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELSPORTO Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 There's a few tip coupes on Carsales around the $75 - $85k mark but they've been up for a while so possibly negotiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 This car is at the Healey Factory. Personal experience with these guys is mixed. On one hand they seem to undervalue or not be totally in touch with Porsche pricing so you can pick up a car at a lower price. As per their name they are really experts in other cars I guess and mine was shipped out to another guy for checking. Cut a long story short, despite this it failed registration and ended up breaking down 48hrs later with a $12k price tag. Mine was a collector car that had been in storage so all faults were really down lack of use, but it really highlighted a lack of real knowledge about P-cars. Now I am with Autohaus I can not overstate the difference in service and knowledge.So, get it checked by someone who knows. Grab yourself a good value car, and plan to spend a bit initially http://www.healeyfactory.com.au/search-results-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 29July, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Sorry gents, I can't work out how to reply to individual posts and you're all being a big help -Chris, yes I may offer $45000 and see where that gets me, after I get an inspection, thanksT-Man, I'd die for a manual but the girl has to have an auto (and ragtop) or it's deal off and we stick with the z4, I feel fortunate I've convinced her so far, swapping an 06 with all the glam for a car 10 years younger that she thinks is quite plain inside - I'll settle for an auto if I have to, at least it's black! ThanksElsporto thanks, and by reading these threads it seems most air cooled 911's sell pretty quick, especially 993's for the later years, I'd love to know how long this one has been advertised forTurboT, thanks - That's a horror story! Yes they have all types of cars and only one Porsche - I used to look at Just Cars mag (I think it was) and the back page was always Healy factory adverts and cant remember seeing Porsches there hardly. I'll have to do my homework re numbers and a good test drive and a proper inspection. My girl will make us get and Mx-5 if something goes wrong immediately - cant have that! I sound hen pecked huh, but t's her money not mine, so I'll count my blessings she's agreed to a 993....it'll be our only toy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Sorry gents, I can't work out how to reply to individual posts and you're all being a big help - Just click on the 'quote' button to quote someone and then answer. You can delete the bits you don't want to answer like I have doneBuying a tip cab is a good way to go as you get 90% of the car for 50% of the price. If that's the price of admission with 'er indoors, then take it and Porsche on.It will be a very different drive to the Z4, that's for sure. You need to get in early and set expectations before the test drive.It's OK to negotiate a price pending inspection. No point paying for an inspection and then find out you can't get the price you want. So agree price first. Then if you find faults either walk away or factor fixes into negotiated price. If you don't lock in a price and you get an inspection you've told the salesman you're committed and he's going to work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550Spyder Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 I must agree. The above quote of 90% of the car for 50% of the price is spot on. While not my bag, this is a lot of car for the money and the 993 is a very very well sorted car. It's much less primitive than the early cars and relatively modern interior will be much more spousal compatible. I suspect after a couple of summer runs roof down to the yarra valley you will have sufficient brownie points to take the ups and downs of ownership. I assume you have already discounted the much more obvious choice of a good 2007 Boxster? If so then If the PPI is ok then go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Perhaps get an inspection at Cairns Motorsport, I have engaged them from interstate and found them very helpfullwww.ccmps.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukejenner Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Sandy,Bought my 993 coupe 3 weeks ago from Melbourne and yes it's a tip, however no varioram. Compared to current manuals for sale I saved $50k-$60k compared to a manual varioram. Goes like stink and is in amazing condition. Has had the engine rebuild done so I've got a very fresh engine.My advice, get a PPI and if it checks out - do it. I bought for similar reasons - no depreciation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 Sandy,You know there's a chance that she won't like driving it?I know that's hard to believe but sometimes they have different priorities to us and place greater weight on matters that we often don't notice.Don't be surprised if she mentions the indicator wand being on the wrong side, the wipers, the steering not being power assisted enough, the brakes are heavy, cant' read the speedo at over 160, who was the madman that designed the HVAC controls, etc, etc Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 BMW indicator will be on the left already. 993 has climate control, yes?i haven't driven a 993 but I do know that the power delivery and controls in the z4 are 'smooth' and maybe that's the biggest difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 29July, 2015 Report Share Posted 29July, 2015 And no cup holders......and it smells oily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 How could I forget the lack cup holders!My wife takes great delight in telling me her Honda Jazz has 10. When she is not tell me she can fit a full size bike across the back seat of course....BMW indicator will be on the left already. 993 has climate control, yes?Both true. However I've never meet anyone who can explain the climate control sliders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 Both true. However I've never meet anyone who can explain the climate control sliders!easy. Window down is fresh oily air. Window up is recycled oily air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 How could I forget the lack cup holders!My wife takes great delight in telling me her Honda Jazz has 10. When she is not tell me she can fit a full size bike across the back seat of course....Both true. However I've never meet anyone who can explain the climate control sliders!use the force peeeteer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhead Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 How could I forget the lack cup holders!My wife takes great delight in telling me her Honda Jazz has 10.Just tell her that if you both left Alice Springs at the same time in your respective cars, you would get to Darwin so far ahead of her time wise that you’d be sittin’ drinkin’ many lattes in a caff before she arrived and that’s why cup holders aren’t required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 Nah, still wouldn't change anything, she'd just tell me what small parking spaces her car will fit in and anyway, it not all about going fast. I wrote her first one off and for a replacement she wouldn't consider any other car. Anyway, this is all about Sandy's potential dilemma, not me! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 30July, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 Just click on the 'quote' button to quote someone and then answer. You can delete the bits you don't want to answer like I have doneBuying a tip cab is a good way to go as you get 90% of the car for 50% of the price. If that's the price of admission with 'er indoors, then take it and Porsche on.It will be a very different drive to the Z4, that's for sure. You need to get in early and set expectations before the test drive.It's OK to negotiate a price pending inspection. No point paying for an inspection and then find out you can't get the price you want. So agree price first. Then if you find faults either walk away or factor fixes into negotiated price. If you don't lock in a price and you get an inspection you've told the salesman you're committed and he's going to work on that.Well that seemed pretty easy Coastr, the quote button, who'd have thought hahaha....was having trouble with my laptop last night, it wouldn't let me do it hmmmm.....I agree so much with that 90% 50% split, only way I'll ever get into a decent 993 by the looks of it - love the part about setting expectations first with the minister for finance, I'veearnt that's a given over the years. I'll work on that negotiating if I get to that point after a drive, hope I get to hat point after she drives it I must agree. The above quote of 90% of the car for 50% of the price is spot on. While not my bag, this is a lot of car for the money and the 993 is a very very well sorted car. It's much less primitive than the early cars and relatively modern interior will be much more spousal compatible. I suspect after a couple of summer runs roof down to the yarra valley you will have sufficient brownie points to take the ups and downs of ownership. I assume you have already discounted the much more obvious choice of a good 2007 Boxster? If so then If the PPI is ok then go for it.Spyder I've steered her away from a Boxster coz they seem to depreciate like the Beemer and we probably would be swapping like for like - even though it has a P badge which is cooler imo. Yes al the seating and interior is modern enough and it felt really good in that seat, even she thought so, so I'm halfway there...thnx Perhaps get an inspection at Cairns Motorsport, I have engaged them from interstate and found them very helpfullwww.ccmps.com.auThnx Symsy, yes they're in my area and probably the closest specialist that's been around for years n years, a friend used to take his 911 there 20 years back... Sandy,Bought my 993 coupe 3 weeks ago from Melbourne and yes it's a tip, however no varioram. Compared to current manuals for sale I saved $50k-$60k compared to a manual varioram. Goes like stink and is in amazing condition. Has had the engine rebuild done so I've got a very fresh engine.My advice, get a PPI and if it checks out - do it. I bought for similar reasons - no depreciation!$50-$60 that's huge! This one is variorum I think, will check that. You maybe got a good bargain there Sandy,You know there's a chance that she won't like driving it?I know that's hard to believe but sometimes they have different priorities to us and place greater weight on matters that we often don't notice.Don't be surprised if she mentions the indicator wand being on the wrong side, the wipers, the steering not being power assisted enough, the brakes are heavy, cant' read the speedo at over 160, who was the madman that designed the HVAC controls, etc, etc Good luck!Oh there's huge chance of that Peter, I brought her flowers last night, getting hose points up! Her priorities is that it's black n shiny n smooth and has cup holders and doesn't blow her hair too much - I've gotten around the non cup holders! Glad she cant read the last sentence of your post hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 30July, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 easy. Window down is fresh oily air. Window up is recycled oily air.I'll love the oily air but will have to buy a box of new car smell form Supercheap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 I actually replaced the centre console storage bins with two cupholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 30July, 2015 Report Share Posted 30July, 2015 I actually replaced the centre console storage bins with two cupholdersHeresy! I call for banning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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