AndrewW Posted 11June, 2017 Report Share Posted 11June, 2017 Do manuals dictate the pricing and thus autos are say $10k less or do autos dictate the pricing with manuals say $10k more ?Do autos hold down the manual prices, an auto is $50k so the manual can only be $10k more in a fairness kinda approach. 996 autos, 993 autos even sporto SC,s all have a price differential (strange as they all cost more in the beginning). Or is it really how much the market can tolerate a price level for a manual, open market pricing, and then the auto is priced somewhere below it, does anyone actually buy the autos ? There seems to always be a lot on the market, some spankingly good looking models too.How far apart can the prices be ? How low does an auto have to go to get someone motivated to buy it ? Who's buys it, an enthusiast ? I only know of one person in my small group of contacts that owns one and that is his daily, I'm not thinking SUV's or 4 door,s just traditional 911'sThought provoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingporsche Posted 12June, 2017 Report Share Posted 12June, 2017 I have no idea...Both are dictated by what the market will pay. Manuals set the price, autos suffer discounting until someone is willing to buy. I'm sure someone has stats on auto/manuals, would be interesting to see if scarcity plays a part (particularly for water-cooled 911s).You've asked a lot of questions, I don't think I helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 12June, 2017 Report Share Posted 12June, 2017 I think it is basically that most enthusiasts want a manual for a weekend fun car. The only reason they would take an auto is if it is so much cheaper to do so, and they 'settle' for an auto. If you actually want an auto, I think you are in an excellent position because they often sit a lot longer and you can negotiate hard to get a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sustenpass Posted 12June, 2017 Report Share Posted 12June, 2017 Personally, I would never buy an automatic sports car. It wouldn't matter how much cheaper it was.So for me, I'd look at what the market was charging for a manual 911 and base my expectations around that. I wouldn't even check what the automatics and PDKs were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apogee Posted 12June, 2017 Report Share Posted 12June, 2017 Me neither. I don't see the point of an Automatic sports car. Half the fun is in rowing through the gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNguyen Posted 12June, 2017 Report Share Posted 12June, 2017 Early days in my hunt for a manual 911 (911) but certainly it would appear that the manuals are priced higher and harder to find... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 Me neither. I don't see the point of an Automatic sports car. Half the fun is in rowing through the gears. Depends if you have a dicky left knee After the weekends drive in the SC, I may have to consider a PDK. Only if I can have paddle shift though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 Depends if you have a dicky left knee Years of motorbike racing has seen to that! Hence for me, most times a manual is not even on my radar.... keep talking them down guys, makes them cheaper for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 All i can say is I'm glad my imported, left to right converted, non matching numbers car is a manual. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to give it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 All i can say is I'm glad my imported, left to right converted, non matching numbers car is a manual. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to give it away.Convert it to an auto Stew and give it to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 From my experience there is a premium for a manual and 10k is usually about right (or there is in the 996). Also a premium for a coupe over a cab too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 Convert it to an auto Stew and give it to me Imagine if it was also a targa that had been made into a cabrio. It would be worth VN Commodore money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 13June, 2017 Report Share Posted 13June, 2017 Imagine if it was also a targa that had been made into a cabrio. It would be worth VN Commodore money.But it would still be a Porsche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLD Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 But it would still be a Porsche!so is an automatic 924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 You still have to change gears in a Sportomatic, and can downshift/rev match (even if there are only 3 gears) - just don't have to press the clutch pedal down.My next car will be a Tiptronic, the luxury of flicking through the gears on the paddles for 10% of the time, whilst driving around the city in auto mode definately beats putting the clutch in/out in peak hour traffic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear924 Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 The manual/ auto differential seems to also be dependent on model. My suspicion is that as models age the price differential between auto and manuals increase as they transition from being daily drivers to Sunday toys. It will be interesting to see if PDKs follow this as 997 etc follow this transition or whether the whole manual thing will eventually fizzle out. Personally I enjoy the feeling of connectedness a manual provides.... and I don't have a dodgy knee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Chops Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 The manual/ auto differential seems to also be dependent on model. My suspicion is that as models age the price differential between auto and manuals increase as they transition from being daily drivers to Sunday toys. It will be interesting to see if PDKs follow this as 997 etc follow this transition or whether the whole manual thing will eventually fizzle out. Personally I enjoy the feeling of connectedness a manual provides.... and I don't have a dodgy knee!Spot on. My 993S is an auto and yes I'd like it to be manual but at the time there was a $50k price difference! Plus it's a cruiser for me so the auto actually suits. The 4 speed tip is pretty agricultural (but acceptable) but I'd think the 5 speed tip & PDK are good units. If I had a choice of a modern auto or 6 speed manual I'd go the former in this particular car. All other have to be manual . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 Paddle shift can be fitted yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rego Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 The manual/ auto differential seems to also be dependent on model. My suspicion is that as models age the price differential between auto and manuals increase as they transition from being daily drivers to Sunday toys. It will be interesting to see if PDKs follow this as 997 etc follow this transition or whether the whole manual thing will eventually fizzle out. Personally I enjoy the feeling of connectedness a manual provides.... and I don't have a dodgy knee!I agree about the difference in uses, the typical buyer back when the 996 was new versus the sort of person that buys a 15-20 year old porsche is in most cases a very different person with very different intended uses for the car.PDK's are pretty robust and are good tech so I can see the price difference staying closer than the tiptronic unuts but I'll be curious to watch it too.I know when I got my 981 Boxster I tried both and just felt that the current PDK was too good to pass up, while you don't get the involvement of a manual it still gives you a satisfying mechanical 'thud' upshift in Sport Plus with the convenience of having an auto for traffic which I contend with a lot of living only a couple of km's from the CBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear924 Posted 14June, 2017 Report Share Posted 14June, 2017 Spot on. My 993S is an auto and yes I'd like it to be manual but at the time there was a $50k price difference! Plus it's a cruiser for me so the auto actually suits. The 4 speed tip is pretty agricultural (but acceptable) but I'd think the 5 speed tip & PDK are good units. If I had a choice of a modern auto or 6 speed manual I'd go the former in this particular car. All other have to be manual .If I was buying a 'modern - for me this means after 1990) Porsche as a daily driver I'd seriously consider an auto to reduce purchase price and keep driving simple. My current dd is a auto and I'm happy to be less involved in driving during the daily drive even though it's all open road touring. A 5 speed tip 993 actually sounds like a good option.. 928s also have a certain siren song for me as a dd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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