Caver Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Yes, the only way Vettel could get past Mark was to strike when he was in engine conservation mode. That's called kicking a man when he's down around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamWolf Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Mark's mistake was listening to team instructions (again) and not flogging it for the last lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Actually it was clear that Mark was faster than the Vettel. Vettel complained Mark was too slow on the radio(in second stint I think), when Mark was clearly in conservation mode and so Mark put foot down for a few laps and left him for dead, and as we ll all know, he foolishly passed Mark at the end even though he was told not to and to keep the car safe till the end. Multi 21 is red bull code for maintain current positions, and boith drivers were told to turn down motors. This is done as motors now are limited in numbers for the season, and so need to be conserved, but Vettel ignored this team directive, turned his up and overtook Mark. I just hope it comes back to bite him later in the season when he blows his last motor and puts himself out of the championship. I saw one fan relate it to being like a rugby player going for a try with a clear field and his own team mate crash tackles him and gets the ball to score a try for himself. sounds about right just my $0.02 worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-p Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Hi Dave, Do you want me to get rid of those multiple posts for you? C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Vettel was in the wrong no if's no but's. WRONG full stop . Don't even know why there is debate. It has always been that way.If the team boss gives the order team drivers obey . Just the same as the bloke that makes the coffee. F1 is not some club meeting where the driver can make his own decisions. F1 teams are huge organisations,hundreds of people in some cases.The cars are a long way from home and take a lot of time and effort let alone money to get them there.They can't let some individual make his own decisions. Now if the team rules are altered that is different story. I can't imagine any team boss giving drivers that option though, risking cars and points. Ideally l would like Vettel & Alonso going for the championship in the last race of the season when Mark bumps him off the track on the last lap. But that is being vindictive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Yes please Chris. Posted on mobile while watching TV and and mucked up. R. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Yes please Chris. Posted on mobile while watching TV and and mucked up. R. Dave I tried to delete them myself. Isn't it possible for mere mortals to delete? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Whole heartedly agree Dave. Teams have millions invested and receive millions in sponsorship and from the FIA for winning the constructors championship, as well as perks like best pit garage etc. You combine that with 5 engines(I think) for the season, and teams have good reason to tell drivers exactly what to do, as they won't take risks on their investment. Not only did Vettel risk putting unnecessary wear on the engine by not dialing it down but he put both himself and mark at risk of scoring no points for the team. We tend to think that it is all about the drivers championship but it is also about sponsors getting air time and value for their investment, and the team winning the constructors championship and ideally the drivers finishing each race in positions 1 and 2, regardless of the order. That is what teams dream of. Drivers taking themselves out of the points, battling their team mate, especially when the race is basically over, is their worst nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-p Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 I tried to delete them myself. Isn't it possible for mere mortals to delete? Dave To be honest I am not too sure! Anyway happy to help ..... C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 27March, 2013 Report Share Posted 27March, 2013 Just realised I have digressed and failed to answer the question asked in title of this post. Where to for Mark ? He should go out and win the bloody championship already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 3April, 2013 Report Share Posted 3April, 2013 It's now being reported/rumoured that Webber will drive a Porsche at Le Mans 2014. Why not put him in a Carrera Cup race as well. He will feel right at home, in 2nd place behind Baird of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 14April, 2013 Report Share Posted 14April, 2013 Ran out of fuel in Q2,then his right rear wheel fell of in the race. Looks like they have employed me as his head mechanic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatSix Posted 14April, 2013 Report Share Posted 14April, 2013 Either he is the unluckiest man in F1 right now or there is a RB conspiracy to crush him. I think yesterday just ruined any chance he had for making a play at the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 14April, 2013 Report Share Posted 14April, 2013 Either he is the unluckiest man in F1 right now or there is a RB conspiracy to crush him. I think yesterday just ruined any chance he had for making a play at the championship. Was a bad day, but losing the championship from one bad race? No. Each of the front runners will have a zero-points finish this season, whether due to crash,failure or f-ckup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Just came over on 3aw (10.00 news) that he is apparently giving away F1 at the end of the season.Bugga! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 HOORAY, 5 year contract with PORSCHE concentrating on Le Mans. Hope he has renewed his pilots licence.I reckon Sensational, for Porsche and for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Bloody great news. Was very pleased to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatSix Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Was a bad day, but losing the championship from one bad race? No. Each of the front runners will have a zero-points finish this season, whether due to crash,failure or f-ckup Not only was he a DNF but he also now has a grid place penalty for Bahrain. It just seems likes its all snowballing for him. How do you compete for the championship in a team you have little trust in? I'm happy to see he has signed with Porsche. Win win if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdc911 Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 What I find a funny coincidence is that Helmut Marko's main achievement as a race car driver was winning the 1971 Le Mans 24 hour in a Porsche 917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Not only was he a DNF but he also now has a grid place penalty for Bahrain. It just seems likes its all snowballing for him. How do you compete for the championship in a team you have little trust in? I'm happy to see he has signed with Porsche. Win win if you ask me. The grid penalty was his own fault for driving into the side of Vergne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 The porsche thing isn't official, just a strong rumor. I would wait until an official press release before mentally moving him. There is a good chance he might be out of RBR after this year, which would be good news for Ricciardo if he can have a strong season. But there are a lot of other seats in F1, and plenty of teams would like his knowledge on the Red Bull. Wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasserkuhl Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 I am more excited to hear that they are definitely back at Le mans with a Werks Team. Lets hope Mark Doesn't do this again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 was on ABC news break headlines, so that's official enough for me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatSix Posted 15April, 2013 Report Share Posted 15April, 2013 Porsche denies Webber deal....... http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/porsche-denies-mark-webber-deal-20130415-2hvns.html Its a shame all this hoopla about webber has over shadowed the fact Ricciardo qualified 7th and finished the race in 7th, that should be in the news too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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