Raven Posted 14August, 2017 Report Share Posted 14August, 2017 Anyone care to hazard a guess how much such a beast would cost? I'm thinking $150kEdit: make that $150k USD http://driving.ca/porsche/911/auto-news/news/singer-williams-collaborate-on-high-power-911-engine Just sell a kidney ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 14August, 2017 Report Share Posted 14August, 2017 Anyone care to hazard a guess how much such a beast would cost? I'm thinking $150kEdit: make that $150k USD http://driving.ca/porsche/911/auto-news/news/singer-williams-collaborate-on-high-power-911-engine I was dreaming around $USD100k, but you would know better than most JV. So realistically I guess this would be closer to $AUD200k if you had to land one here if they did ever offer them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 15August, 2017 Report Share Posted 15August, 2017 I was dreaming around $USD100k, but you would know better than most JV. So realistically I guess this would be closer to $AUD200k if you had to land one here if they did ever offer them...I think you guys are well off. I cannot see any change out of US$250k. Consider the development costs and the costs of tooling. Divide that by the very few engines they will estimate selling (say 10?) then add in the margins that Williams would want to make in order for it to be a worthwhile project. Singer will also want some profit on that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 15August, 2017 Report Share Posted 15August, 2017 I think you guys are well off. I cannot see any change out of US$250k. Consider the development costs and the costs of tooling. Divide that by the very few engines they will estimate selling (say 10?) then add in the margins that Williams would want to make in order for it to be a worthwhile project. Singer will also want some profit on that as well.You're crushing my dreams simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 15August, 2017 Report Share Posted 15August, 2017 You're crushing my dreams simon he's good jad.. ? But if they aint offering that cute mirror they ain't offering that motor anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbee Posted 15August, 2017 Report Share Posted 15August, 2017 I guess it is tied up in the process of importing, which is why it wouldn't affect ZagWhat do you mean? Zag uses local cars? They do import...Wouldn't the issue be more about the custom parts, the fabrication singer does.... Like a manufacturer would do. The engineering can't be checked or verified. Every supplier singer uses that supplies a bespoke part would have to be verified, etc...(too hard basket). Whereas zag uses stock parts just like your standard mechanic, and just joins existing and known parts together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 15August, 2017 Report Share Posted 15August, 2017 Zag certainly import cars and do a lot of left to right conversions even seen them do many cab to coupe conventions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 Nah, still lost on me as a pointless exercise.It still wouldn't drive as well as the following that will work out something like $1M AUD less: I think the "base" Singers are perfect as they are. I tend to agree with you Peter, sure it answers some questions about what the air cooled 6 could have been, but I guess time will tell, how many want that question answered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 What do you mean? Zag uses local cars? They do import...Wouldn't the issue be more about the custom parts, the fabrication singer does.... Like a manufacturer would do. The engineering can't be checked or verified. Every supplier singer uses that supplies a bespoke part would have to be verified, etc...(too hard basket). Whereas zag uses stock parts just like your standard mechanic, and just joins existing and known parts together...ZAG do their modification in Australia - as do Autohaus etc etc. As far as i understand it you cant import any heavily modified car and expect it to get registered, but might be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 As far as i understand it you cant import any heavily modified car and expect it to get registered, but might be wrongAs a general rule, I think you are spot on. However, it is a personal import which you have owned for 12 months or more, while living in that country and using it "regularly",So order your Singer. The day it is ready, move to the USA for a year. Then you should be able to bring it back with you. What would a road legal and registerable Singer be worth here? If you can afford to fund it, the "profit" should pay for a very nice year touring the USA in a Singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 You can of course export your aussie 964 to the US temporarily, you can get a permit to use it over there for some events and maybe, just maybe.. it might need some repairs at Singer whilst on tour, you then reimport it at the end of its "tour". Work smarter, not harder lads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 ZAG do their modification in Australia - as do Autohaus etc etc. As far as i understand it you cant import any heavily modified car and expect it to get registered, but might be wrongyou're never going to find out unless someone tries.youre not supposed to build front decks that go to the footpath line either. But somehow a guy around the corner got approval to do just that just by knowing/working the system. If you shipped a 964 out and back again and the vin/engine no didn't change I can't see how you are up for anything worse than gst on the improved amount, if they even pick that up. I mean, import duties are on market value of the things brought in. How do you value a paint and interior job?the thing is you're not importing a car here. You're temporarily shipping a car out and back again. Australian cars have done it for things like pebble beach and I assume they didn't have to clear type approval once on the way back. Registration is a state based thing so if you needed to get approval for suspension/engine changes the Feds are not going to care or even ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 you're never going to find out unless someone tries.youre not supposed to build front decks that go to the footpath line either. But somehow a guy around the corner got approval to do just that just by knowing/working the system. If you shipped a 964 out and back again and the vin/engine no didn't change I can't see how you are up for anything worse than gst on the improved amount, if they even pick that up. I mean, import duties are on market value of the things brought in. How do you value a paint and interior job?the thing is you're not importing a car here. You're temporarily shipping a car out and back again. Australian cars have done it for things like pebble beach and I assume they didn't have to clear type approval once on the way back. Registration is a state based thing so if you needed to get approval for suspension/engine changes the Feds are not going to care or even ask.back off you lot Just saying what Singer told me. Also Autohaus confirmed as they were once trying to get the gig to look after the cars if they were ever imported. There would be half a dozen here already if it were that easy....1. the GOLDCOAST car2. the SYDNEY car3. the PADDINGTON.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 Singer probably just didn't want any outlaw plates on one of their cars so made up some cock and bull story about import restrictions! in all seriousness they'd be nuts to tell you it could be done because (a) they don't need the hassle and (b) there would be blowback on them legally if customs did seize the car on return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV911 Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 Also Autohaus confirmed as they were once trying to get the gig to look after the cars if they were ever imported. More than that, they were toying with the idea of building them here under licence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 Maybe Ron Goodman could sneak one in a container for the trip home from Monterey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 16August, 2017 Report Share Posted 16August, 2017 So order your Singer. The day it is ready, move to the USA for a year. Then you should be able to bring it back with you. What would a road legal and registerable Singer be worth here? If you can afford to fund it, the "profit" should pay for a very nice year touring the USA in a Singer.recon the LCT might kill any profit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 20August, 2017 Report Share Posted 20August, 2017 So we were all way off on the price of this one. I have on good authority the motor only is $400k USD... so a Williams equiped Singer is a cool $1M USD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbee Posted 20August, 2017 Report Share Posted 20August, 2017 So we were all way off on the price of this one. I have on good authority the motor only is $400k USD... so a Williams equiped Singer is a cool $1M USD oh that's a relief... Now I'll have to get 2 for such a deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 20August, 2017 Report Share Posted 20August, 2017 $400k?? I thought the watch for $40k was ridiculous, but that's just bloody stupid for an engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian in buddina Posted 20August, 2017 Report Share Posted 20August, 2017 Maybe Singer is thinking big and becoming a low volume manufacturer.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Volume_Motor_Vehicle_Manufacturers_Act_of_2015Now imagine if they license built Ruff's carbon chassis "replica 911". Now they just need a motor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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