MFX Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 As nice as the Singers are, I still couldn't see $1m of value (even with that crazy engine). How many given the chance would get a Singer over a genuine '73RS for similar money? Or maybe a collection, 997 GT3 RS, a 993T and an early 911S?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 i spy four fuel rails.. looks like injectors in the ITB's themselves, then secondary stand off injectors firing straight down the throats of the ITB's from the top of the manifold. epic.i need one in a 964 with IROC bodywork, for reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevMcRev Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 I must be the only one here excited about the group 4 forest arches...Ok, the window intake is pretty dam good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 The want is strong for a singer already. Anyone who doesn't want one of these has to be crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 when I was at Singer last year they said they had tried and failed to get them certified in OZ. I am pretty sure that modified cars are re classified at the date of the modification, rather than the production date. Means the car doesn't meet the new standards set for later cars as I understand it. I guess it is tied up in the process of importing, which is why it wouldn't affect Zaga few have changed hands off market - 20% premium on original purchase price apparently. Recon I would be happy with a 400hp one anyway Interesting soon or later some one cash up will do it would be nice to see one down under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 I'll admit a large proportion of my social media is Porsche related. It doesn't matter where I go, the internet is flooded with this from where I'm sitting - it seems everyone wants to be the first to share the news. I've never seen anything go so viral..................Not even Trump dare I say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 At the end of the day this is just a cynical engineering exercise to resolve a problem that didn't exist and just another means to separate cash from the increasingly rich.Reminds me of that other engineering flakiness of synthesised engine sound through the sound system.So while I appreciate the engineering, why would you bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 If you are sending them an Australian compliance and Australian rego d 964 ,,wouldn,t the car still be registered here even after Singer has performed their retro resto magic ,,,,,,,,,,, the car should still have its original numbers or I am sure you could pay a small fee to singer to make sure it still has them ,,,,with out doubt the car is coming back extensively modified ,,,but if it was still rego,d and retained it original numbers who the hell is going to know or even care when you go for your next rego inspection ,,,, That's my thinking too, yet customs would know pretty quickly what was going on, same as rego inspectors, as they do have specialist guys that know their shit, and there's also the internet! Would be worth the risk though. Who brought their 918 into SA recently, or the La Ferrari thing in NSW, and why would they if they can't legally drive it on the road? $Million + track day or Targa rally car? I doubt it. You get a Singer here, and you could work something out for sure. Just depends how crafty (dodgy) you are, and whether you want to run the risk of said dodgyness! Surely there is a car builder here that could build a 911 to a level of ridiculousness that commands a huge premium? Maybe not Singer level, yet if you have the means and want the absolute best 911 in the country, it just takes LOTS of cash and the right people to build it. I'm sure a lot of shop built backdated cars are mainly cosmetic and hide a lot of crap, yet still charge a premium. Without a shadow of a doubt, Singer are the benchmark of the custom Porsche world, and thinking they're not is an exercise in futility. Kaege in Europe seem to be trying to get there, yet they're half the price of a Singer. Where there's a will there's a way....and cash, loooots of cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Chops Posted 10August, 2017 Report Share Posted 10August, 2017 At the end of the day this is just a cynical engineering exercise to resolve a problem that didn't exist and just another means to separate cash from the increasingly rich.Reminds me of that other engineering flakiness of synthesised engine sound through the sound system.So while I appreciate the engineering, why would you bother? Really Peter? I'm usually pretty cynical but this is joyful stuff they're doing. Nothing wrong with selling something for a profit and I think it offers genuine value, as long as you're very rich, which some are, and good on Singer and good on the rich. If I had the coin I'd LEAP into this engine (not so much a Singer). The look, the cool, the design, the go. Hans and Williams are not going to put their names to shallow badge engineering. Reckon it'd sound pretty darn good too. At least they're innovating and moving on from their original concept as the rest of the world is in restomod mode, albeit to lower (more affordable) standards. Yet again they've moved up and ahead of the crowd and they are now much more than a glorified hot up shop. Wouldn't be surprised if the factory adopts them at this stage, a little like a high end Alpina or AMG. From a perspective of creating value for the shareholders imagine what a purchase by Porsche would be worth. Very very savvy IMHO. I think that was some dude in Melbs as well, seem to remember you found him on instatube?Got to admit though, I think the Singer thing has worn off / wearing thin, they're not exclusive enough anymore given the numbers that have been built. They needed this engine to differentiate themselves from the crowd again, the value proposition is falling (except in countries where they struggle to bring them in...)Mike surely it's one of THE most exclusive Porsche's you can buy? Much better value than ambitiously speculated 911 R Absolutely. 911R is a great example of a vanilla, cynical money grabbing exercise. They look dumb too. As nice as the Singers are, I still couldn't see $1m of value (even with that crazy engine). How many given the chance would get a Singer over a genuine '73RS for similar money? Or maybe a collection, 997 GT3 RS, a 993T and an early 911S??Last of my rants. I see no value in a $1m '73 RS. I mean how much better are they than a 3.o Carrera or even an SC that's had a few sheckles spent on it? Yes they're rare, yes they've nice, but $1m? No way. Not if you value driving ahead of anything else. At least with the Singer you're getting something for your money. More exclusivity, more everything. Even if I don't like the look personally. I do like your collection idea though...I'm off to the VENT thread to cool down now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 Im still feeling a bit RUF this week http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/geneva-auto-show/news/a32845/2017-ruf-ctr-faithful-tribute-yellow-bird-930-turbo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 I'll give them 10/10 for the renders though. They are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 I'll give them 10/10 for the renders though. They are spot on. did you watch that video … renders to reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 did you watch that video … renders to reality No, I've just been looking at the pretty pictures..................that have been shared.....................eleventy billion times in the last second! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 Last of my rants. I see no value in a $1m '73 RS. I mean how much better are they than a 3.o Carrera or even an SC that's had a few sheckles spent on it? Yes they're rare, yes they've nice, but $1m? No way. Not if you value driving ahead of anything else. At least with the Singer you're getting something for your money. More exclusivity, more everything. Even if I don't like the look personally. I do like your collection idea though...I probably wouldn't buy a '73 RS either, but it is more if you actually had $1m to spend on it, what other comparable priced cars are in that market, and would the Singer be the car you would actually buy?I suppose I am not looking at this in the right way though. I am more thinking that if I had $1m to spend would I buy that. I suppose the people buying these don't have $1m to spend on cars, they have $10m or $20m, and this is just something for the collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 Porsche could have done it easily. VAG produced the veyron FFS. They managed to get the old 6.75 litre Bentley engine up to emissions snuff. Somebody decided air cooled was no longer allowed because reasons and that was that for Porsche. Admittedly that decision was made at a time when they were broke but there is no reason they couldn't have done this engine and a ruf like remake even just for a show car.Instead it is formula E and mission E and 'look at us we're saving da planet'Whata the bet the current head of marketing has never been behind the wheel of a race car and has no idea what the heritage means to loyal buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 Porsche could have done it easily. VAG produced the veyron FFS. They managed to get the old 6.75 litre Bentley engine up to emissions snuff. Somebody decided air cooled was no longer allowed because reasons and that was that for Porsche. Admittedly that decision was made at a time when they were broke but there is no reason they couldn't have done this engine and a ruf like remake even just for a show car.Instead it is formula E and mission E and 'look at us we're saving da planet'Whata the bet the current head of marketing has never been behind the wheel of a race car and has no idea what the heritage means to loyal buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 That's my thinking too, yet customs would know pretty quickly what was going on, same as rego inspectors, as they do have specialist guys that know their shit, and there's also the internet! Would be worth the risk though. Who brought their 918 into SA recently, or the La Ferrari thing in NSW, and why would they if they can't legally drive it on the road? $Million + track day or Targa rally car? I doubt it. You get a Singer here, and you could work something out for sure. Just depends how crafty (dodgy) you are, and whether you want to run the risk of said dodgyness! Surely there is a car builder here that could build a 911 to a level of ridiculousness that commands a huge premium? Maybe not Singer level, yet if you have the means and want the absolute best 911 in the country, it just takes LOTS of cash and the right people to build it. I'm sure a lot of shop built backdated cars are mainly cosmetic and hide a lot of crap, yet still charge a premium. Without a shadow of a doubt, Singer are the benchmark of the custom Porsche world, and thinking they're not is an exercise in futility. Kaege in Europe seem to be trying to get there, yet they're half the price of a Singer. Where there's a will there's a way....and cash, loooots of cash! Lee I have an associate who had a super snake 500E Mustang built in the states around 2 years ago by a company called year one ..These Mustangs are brand new cars every nut bolt panel in new as year one have the presses that can make every thing needed to give you new 69 Mustang fast back built in 2017 ..The car was built to my associates desired spec over a 6 month period 500HP small block Ford supercharged running a 6 speed TKO Tremec Trans ,,,big brakes upgrade suspension and lots of other go fast parts on 17 inch Shelby knock off rims . The car really is a stunning machine and built to a very high custom show car standard ,sounds fantastic and is a real Hoons car you just can,t help your self from being a rat bag in it ..The car was then shipped down under and is currently registered in NSW on Historic plates ,,from my understanding this was achieved from using the tags and body numbers of a donor car that was beyond repair and had been previously rego in NSW ..Yes this is most likely illegal and is more or less re birthing a car ,,,if the RMS found out about it you could have problems but as my college has said to me how are they going to find out and if they did how can they prove it as far as they know the car is a replica Shelby 500E mustang built of a 69 fastback body all of the paper work is in order ..Lots of people build replica and custom muscle cars so this is no different in the eye,s of the RMS as they have no idea the car is new ..This brings me back to the Singer Question if I am sending my Oz Delivery and rego 964 over to the States to have it treated to Singers magic and it come back 8 or 10 Months later still with rego who is really going to know any different other than the guy who does my rego inspections who is a mate that loves P cars too and is happy as hell that he gets to drive it for its rego inspection every year ,,this isn,t that different to the 500 E mustang fore mentioned as is more legal as you are using your original body and not re birthing or doing a number job ...I honestly believe if you had the funds you could get away with it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 @Raven I know of Year One as being one of, if not the best when it comes to Mustangs. Your associate is very fortunate to own one If I had the means, I would have ordered a Singer long ago regardless of it's legality here, but that's me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 At the end of the day this is just a cynical engineering exercise to resolve a problem that didn't exist and just another means to separate cash from the increasingly rich.Reminds me of that other engineering flakiness of synthesised engine sound through the sound system.So while I appreciate the engineering, why would you bother? bad day Pete? I mean why bother making a Porsche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 11August, 2017 Report Share Posted 11August, 2017 Sounds like it would be easier, cheaper and more fun to move to the US instead of bringing them here. Plus think of all the other cheap toys you'd have access to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 12August, 2017 Report Share Posted 12August, 2017 POLO build off...you would have to recon there are designers at Porsche right now going....."fuck we should have done that" (in German naturally)tom u must at least go flat fan .....Anyway, if they went water cooled that would just like transplanting in a 996/997 GT3 engine. Far to easy and not really the point!thar she blows ...https://i.imgur.com/xNSvx8S.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coastr Posted 13August, 2017 Report Share Posted 13August, 2017 bad day Pete? I mean why bother making a Porsche? yeah .... Ultimately there is no point to a Porsche so why start complaining about the really impractical? If someone has made some dough and wants to buy a cool toy how is that any different to the rest of us except the size of the invoice? I'm willing to bet most singer buyers are real car guys who would enjoy just talking cars and driving them. The only singer I have ever seen in the flesh was filthy dirty and being driven hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 13August, 2017 Report Share Posted 13August, 2017 Nah, still lost on me as a pointless exercise.It still wouldn't drive as well as the following that will work out something like $1M AUD less: I think the "base" Singers are perfect as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV911 Posted 14August, 2017 Report Share Posted 14August, 2017 Singer crate motor anyone? Anyone care to hazard a guess how much such a beast would cost? I'm thinking $150kEdit: make that $150k USD http://driving.ca/porsche/911/auto-news/news/singer-williams-collaborate-on-high-power-911-engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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