symsy Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Cos I have one , I dont look so much , but I back em as a great car , I wonder has anyone been watching 993 prices , especially the ones with extra large backsides.Whats your view or tracking of values folks ?? On these example1997 AUS 993S TIP - MInt - Condition Silver , Blk Leather 100,000 KMS - Very very fastidious owner, full historyUK C4S Manual - Dark colour Blue or Black . Blk laether manual , 220,000KMS , No rust , car been here for a while , full history , no oil leaks etc.Neither cars have mods Im interested as from my persepctive 993s have been somewhat stable after the rise in the AC bubble but SC's , 3.2s and 964's ahve seemed to surge a little more ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 (edited) (talking coupes here) Four years ago they bottomed at around $50,000 for a good tip, with a manual being $20,000 extra. I know of a mint S which was bought for around $90k at that time.Since then, prices have increased but not to the same extent as other models. Seems people either love the look, or think they look like they fell out of a jelly mould, with their droopy front.A good 993 c2 tip now is around $100,000 - still cheaper than some of the SCs I have seen advertised. I know of two c2 tips which were advertised for $125k and $138k which were marked as "Sold"............but they didn't. However, I do know of one which sold late last year (c2 tip) for $96,000 and it needed aircon fixed.Am I rambling ?Carsales shows C2 tip being listed from the mid $90k up to silly numbers.C2S are advertised at $180k+...up to Turbo money.Again, I know of a buyer who paid $189,000 for a C2S in April 2016.Of course, I am in the market at the moment. Here is my (now)mint 993 tip. Believed to be the first 993 registered in Australia. Certainly has a very early build sheet dated Nov 1993. Rego is Feb 1994. Ad price is $110,000 for Carsales punters, but PFA can have it for $99,993 (see, the buyer has already knocked off a good percentage)https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1994/SSE-AD-3681672 Edited 24January, 2017 by Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Forgot the damn URL symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 (edited) Symsy,Can't comment on the Oprah arsed cars specifically but I think the narrow bodied 993, 964 and the 3.2 prices have all converged somewhat as the 3.2 prices have powered modestly on while the later cars have soften. There is still the 3.2 - 964/993 pecking order but its not as pronounced as it once was, even 18 months ago. Disclaimer: Talking about the majority of good condition cars not the 5% minority where there doesn't seem to be rhyme nor reason to sale prices.Oh, and I think the 993 market is still really km sensitive when compared to the 964 and 3.2 market. I don't think we're helping much largely because there doesn't seem to have been much turnover in the 993 market for a long time as too many dreamy advertisers...well, can't call them sellers! Edited 24January, 2017 by Peter M symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k0nz Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Of course, I am in the market at the moment. Here is my (now)mint 993 tip. Believed to be the first 993 registered in Australia. Certainly has a very early build sheet dated Nov 1993. Rego is Feb 1994. Ad price is $110,000 for Carsales punters, but PFA can have it for $99,993 (see, the buyer has already knocked off a good percentage)https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1994/SSE-AD-3681672Gorgeous car, but don't think I could bring myself to own a tip (or a PDK) Porsche ever. Maybe I need to test drive a tip before I make that call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Nah mate, for heavens sake don't threaten your beliefs with facts! ANF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Gorgeous car, but don't think I could bring myself to own a tip (or a PDK) Porsche ever. Maybe I need to test drive a tip before I make that call.Don't throw them away till you try them. I thought I would only buy a manual, however for city driving - lots of stop start - the tip is great. Sure, it's a few tenths of a second slower to 100kph, but in reality it never is an issue. Drive the tip in one gear lower than D, and it starts in first gear. It also is quite clever in adapting to the driving style. Give it a quick kick in the gas pedal and it will kick down AND STAY DOWN through the twisty bits.I've driven a manual and tip 911 through cities.......a manual gets very boring when it's busy. k0nz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOKA Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 I..a manual gets very boring when it's busy.Nah.. It's just a race to the lights for pole position.! Cars And Coffee Byron Bay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Nah.. It's just a race to the lights for pole position.!maybe in a 996.....in a 45 year old car with a 915 box, I like to take things a little easier. At lights, I get thrashed by a Kia Rio. WOKA and FAP911 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Of course, I am in the market at the moment. Here is my (now)mint 993 tip. Believed to be the first 993 registered in Australia. Certainly has a very early build sheet dated Nov 1993. Rego is Feb 1994. Ad price is $110,000 for Carsales punters, but PFA can have it for $99,993 (see, the buyer has already knocked off a good percentage)https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1994/SSE-AD-3681672Still waiting for that lotto win..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnage Posted 24January, 2017 Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 (edited) In the 4 years CCBB talks about I have seen the C4S make the highest climbs. We're around $100k then, now $220-250. They do seem to stick around though at these prices.We are talking non turbo cars here right? Edited 24January, 2017 by Arnage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 24January, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 24January, 2017 Yup not TT , I love mine but theres something about the smooth line of the non spoilered carsSo whats you stab at value son the cars I mentioned folks, assume they are top 5%.. I havent watched the market having not been in it , I was pre bubble but not of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 Cos I have one , I dont look so much , but I back em as a great car , I wonder has anyone been watching 993 prices , especially the ones with extra large backsides.Whats your view or tracking of values folks ?? On these example1997 AUS 993S TIP - MInt - Condition Silver , Blk Leather 100,000 KMS - Very very fastidious owner, full historyUK C4S Manual - Dark colour Blue or Black . Blk laether manual , 220,000KMS , No rust , car been here for a while , full history , no oil leaks etc.Neither cars have mods Im interested as from my persepctive 993s have been somewhat stable after the rise in the AC bubble but SC's , 3.2s and 964's ahve seemed to surge a little more ?Sale price - the 97 $170the c4s $160 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npvpositive Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 What do you guys think about the black 1996 C2 manual at Weltmeister for $152k?https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1996/OAG-AD-13975279/?Cr=4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 25January, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 (edited) What do you guys think about the black 1996 C2 manual at Weltmeister for $152k?https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1996/OAG-AD-13975279/?Cr=4I think its highThe other thing i will share and that is from personal recent experience, that is possibly a newish consideration for these cars. I just sent mine in for its 20 yr birthday pressie and changed cam cover gaskets, most hoses an a/c evaporator , heater hoses, brittle oil filler hoses and some trim gaskets . My car has never been outside and also is low KMS but needed a lot of these little things , or would have near term , as I started to go through the car.So maybe now these cars are hitting their 20's , like so many 964's owners have had done, we should be considering the freshen up costs and reseal jobs that will be likely in the pricing. Many of the 964's being sold have had the appropriate money spent and some have not , 10k gets gobbled up very quickly and I would be putting this as a buying contingency in my negotiations. Edited 25January, 2017 by symsy sandy468, Cars And Coffee Byron Bay and Chris-p 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 What do you guys think about the black 1996 C2 manual at Weltmeister for $152k?https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1996/OAG-AD-13975279/?Cr=4Nick,It's been for sale for a long time. Still find it weird how cars with such modest km have had a full engine rebuild. Surely just a reseal that got carried away? Anxious owners with to much money and workshops selling boots and braces solutions?I think being black and probably $20k to much scares people off. If it was lapis blue and a bit cheaper, it would have sold several times over by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 Exactly. If I was buying, I'd buy the one which just had a professional rebuild over the one with shiny wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 Sale price - the 97 $170 $145kthe c4s $160 - $115kFixed it for you Sandy assuming they want to sell it within 3 months.I'd also recommend the '97 owner consign it through one of the well known dealers although I think he may have missed that opportunity by putting it on Carsales yesterday? Arnage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZP Posted 25January, 2017 Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 Where do you see a 993 C4S manual with 19k on the clock sitting price wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 25January, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 25January, 2017 Where do you see a 993 C4S manual with 19k on the clock sitting price wise.Local , 200 if priced sharp, but that said , some if some of the big names in town are moving TTs above 300 .. more .I think Street price all day everyday on a TT is 250 .. people dont think twice at that price point and of course there are some cars that really are mega gems. I thought mine was clean and someone sentme a picture of his car..museum quality. Like the day it came of the factory floor and if you want one of those you paySo the C4S at 175 would walk out the door quick probably Fixed it for you Sandy assuming they want to sell it within 3 months.I'd also recommend the '97 owner consign it through one of the well known dealers although I think he may have missed that opportunity by putting it on Carsales yesterday?I didnt see a car come on I will look , not sure is the same car..At 115 on the UK I would buy it in a heartbeat and work it as my hotrod .. great bit of kit , rip of that injection , 3.8 or 4.0 l it , cams and a tune, exhaust.. weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 Sale price - the 97 $170the c4s $160Fixed it for you Sandy assuming they want to sell it within 3 months. I'd also recommend the '97 owner consign it through one of the well known dealers although I think he may have missed that opportunity by putting it on Carsales yesterday?Peter, your thoughts were $145 for the 97 and $115 for the c4s. Interested to know what formula you use to arrive at those figures, compared to how I arrive at my figures...Where do you see a 993 C4S manual with 19k on the clock sitting price wise.With those ks and the corresponding condition, assuming aust and books $220 sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-S Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 95 993 here with 100k on the clock, Aus delivered, currently at $50k with 2 days to go. Might be worth a queenslander going for a lookhttp://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=5488&lid=959207&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZP Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 Peter, your thoughts were $145 for the 97 and $115 for the c4s. Interested to know what formula you use to arrive at those figures, compared to how I arrive at my figures...With those ks and the corresponding condition, assuming aust and books $220 salethis is a mates car and he's strategising his way to a 964 3.6 Turbo, so the value of his is comes up in discussion.220k is what he's been offered for it already so well played on your number sandy468 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 95 993 here with 100k on the clock, Aus delivered, currently at $50k with 2 days to go. Might be worth a queenslander going for a lookhttp://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=5488&lid=959207&pgn=1&pgs=100&gv=True Was asking $130k, then $119k when it came off carsales. Seemed pretty straight when I dealt with the owner. Mike-S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 this is a mates car and he's strategising his way to a 964 3.6 Turbo, so the value of his is comes up in discussion.220k is what he's been offered for it already so well played on your numberHe missed a pisser of a 3.6 964TT on Ebay a few weeks back, priceless museum piece unicorn! He could've used his c4s as a deposit to the seller just to be able to ask a question or bid!! .....strange we haven't sen that TT pop up again hmmmmmSorry mate you've got no idea what I'm talking about being new (welcome bud) you'll have to dig back a dozen pages..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 26January, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 964 - Half a million dollar man dissapeared, I sense a bit of that will happen when the interest rates start to climb.Shit I also have no idea why anyone would want to go backward to a 964 turbo from a 993 widebody. Especially when a 993 turbo kills a 964 in all departments, you would put your money tere and have change over a 964 turbo would you not. Holy war invitation this is not ! sandy468 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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