911oclock Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 Can't recall it being discussed before but how common/rare are G series sunroof delete 911's?Are there delivery numbers recorded in the Porsche vault that have this kind of information?Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 I'm no expert, but from what I understand, the delete was quite rare. It seems that all of the high fliers at the time wanted to be cool and have a sunroof.Seems it is so rare that I have heard it called the "Sunroof delete option" ...... they are also very sought after for a number of reasons ...1. No leaky, non working pain in the a** sunroof to fix2. No hole in the roof = better chassis strength and less flex (especially valuable to track cars)I'm sure others with more knowledge than me will chime in and set the record straight ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911oclock Posted 30December, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 I remember watching Mega Factories story on the newer 911. The sunroof was standard, if you didn't want a hole they had to slip a different lid into the production line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 No sunroof And before any smartarses say there's no sun in Tassy so it doesn't matter , my car is Japanese , the Land of the Rising Sun. Port 911 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruby82sc Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 I don't think they are particularly rare, well not in my cave anyway, '82 Tassie delivered SC and '77 Jap delivered "S" both sunroof delete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 (edited) I hear only the cool kids drive sunroof delete G series. I've never come across any stats separating the hipsters from the messy haired. Edited 30December, 2016 by Peter M Tips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 (edited) No idea about these cars(G series)but with the 944, sunroof deletes made up less than 5% (I have read). I have also read that the less flex due to solid roof is not actually true(on 944 at least) as the amount of bracing Porsche used for the sunroof makes the sunroof models more rigid. It is my understanding that sunroof delete models were nearly all "ordered cars" and not just something picked up off the showroom floor, although obviously it is highly probable that some dealers spec'ed up cars for there show room knowing there would be demand for something not out of the box.I like to think my car was an "ordered car" as it had not just sunroof delete but also sports seats, side protection mouldings, Fuchs(soon to be refurbished)and script interior trim. I am lead to believe this is an extremely rare combination. BTW I contacted PCA regarding any info on the breakdown of 86 turbo 944's imported and was told no such information exists. I am not sure if this was a we can't be bothered looking response, as 944's are often not loved by some, or if it's true. I have found several sources stating only 110 were bought in and sold in 86 and 87. We never got the 87 dual airbag/abs model. The next batch were 88's. Edited 30December, 2016 by cyberpunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 if i ever have to repaint the 964, sunroof will be the first thing to go.. symsy, Fraz and sleazius 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 2. No hole in the roof = better chassis strength and less flex (especially valuable to track cars) The strength isn't the big thing, because on a track car, the cage gives you that. What does make a significant difference is getting rid of weight from one of the worst places it can be. I am told by some that you can actually feel the difference on the track from the lowered centre of gravity. Fraz, Dreamr and cyberpunky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 ^^^^100% correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 (edited) Try buying an X5 or Q7 or probably any euro Luxury car without a $3k "optional" roof. The factory sends all the stock loaded with certain options to jack up the sticker price. And every salesman works hard to talk you out of no roof - ooh, be careful, you'll ruin resale value, 6 month wait for a non sunroof car yada yadasame lurk was probably going on back in 70s, 80s & 90s. Sales scam to lift the price. You walk in on a sensible "list price" but quickly find no stock available for months without high margin options which I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't otherwise want/order but impatience sees them take an in stock car than wait for a special order. Edited 30December, 2016 by DJM firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevMcRev Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 Happy to have no sunroof in the 924!Just another thing to f*&k up and leak. The hatch does a good enough job of that!Plus, sunroofs are just so not-motorsport. Plus plus Melanoma can kill you. symsy and DJM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 No sunroof on mine. California delivered car. firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidmarks Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 Can't recall it being discussed before but how common/rare are G series sunroof delete 911's?Are there delivery numbers recorded in the Porsche vault that have this kind of information?CheersNo record of numbers I would think.Ive got 2 without (Japanese delivered 74 and 75 Carrera's) and a 73E and C3 with. I prefer without. 911oclock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 No idea about these cars(G series)but with the 944, sunroof deletes made up less than 5%Oh I've got another "rare" car , and it's Oz delivered (Sydney). Perhaps the owner , like me wasn't a fan of the magnifying glass on your head effect.I recall sunroofs were a "prestige" accessory in the days before melanoma was discovered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 That, and unlike Europe there is/was no market here for multiple trim types. For example with my e36 m3, in Europe it was possible to get a cheaper, more basic car, non sunroof trim etc. in Aus all cars were shipped over at a higher trim level because it wasn't viable to offer the basic packages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC 3.2 Posted 30December, 2016 Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 My Jap delivered 79 SC has not got a hole in the roof so it seems the Japenese spec did not include them.Apparently the sun roof option also added 15kg ,but back in the swinging 70,s we all thought they were cool.Funny how the worm turns,now it is cool not to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911oclock Posted 30December, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 30December, 2016 I find the moon roof thing a strange 'upgrade' on cars these days especially for those of us that are follicular challenged. I mean who needs to see the sun/moon/stars while they're driving? tazzieman and clutch-monkey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 31December, 2016 Report Share Posted 31December, 2016 I find the moon roof thing a strange 'upgrade' on cars these days especially for those of us that are follicular challenged. I mean who needs to see the sun/moon/stars while they're driving?You can't see them in the big cities for a start :<) firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowDieselGolf Posted 31December, 2016 Report Share Posted 31December, 2016 I must be the only one who likes having a sunroof I always get a kick when I'm driving with the roof open and a plane flies over. Port 911 and symsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2016 Report Share Posted 31December, 2016 I must be the only one who likes having a sunroof I always get a kick when I'm driving with the roof open and a plane flies over. Driving 101 .....Keep your eyes on the road in front of you and not on the plane flying overhead. ... SimonN and Port 911 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 1January, 2017 Report Share Posted 1January, 2017 I must be the only one who likes having a sunroof I always get a kick when I'm driving with the roof open and a plane flies over. I just be like Alan Dreamr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 1January, 2017 Report Share Posted 1January, 2017 I just be like Alan Driving 102 .....Stay off aeroplane runways .... especially with the sunroof open ..... SC 3.2 and Port 911 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 1January, 2017 Report Share Posted 1January, 2017 In qld it's just too damn hot most of the time to have a sunroof. They are complicated, prone to leaks and lower the roof height as well as add weight.in a previous car I also made the mistake of commenting (not positively I might add) on pedestrians crossing in front of the car. In a lowered car your voice is basically below ear level of the pedestrians. When an uncharitable comment floats out the open sunroof....what was that thing about saying nothing if you don't have anything nice to say? Especially in open cars. SC 3.2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezger Autosport Posted 1January, 2017 Report Share Posted 1January, 2017 (edited) My 84 black Aussie 3.2 has a roof.997 08 Aussie 3.6 grey coupe with roof.Also 77 copper jap no roof, Aussie 77 continental orange no roof & 76 Aussie ascot green no roof.prefer without, hardly ever open the one on the 84 as its a track car. Edited 1January, 2017 by Rl technical Add info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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