scashin Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 agreed been looking for a neat 3.0si not much joy . Anyone want a tidy m535i? Auto though Join the long queue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott930 Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-13043305?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-13043305?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA None has mentioned these for a while hey..is it really a collector though with those KMS??However Now I have the attention of the critical eye and avid price validation committee..A polling booth question .. how much would you pay for a Mint late model 928 S4 …. not what have they sold for ..what money could be squeezed out of your pocket..Whats the spread 20k---through to 60k?PS The green car should just remain as a memorial to sellers of EBAY and Gumtree and testimonial for the intergrity crew a symbol of potential shonky crash repairs , hang on mate I have all the paperwork , I just need to find it statements we have all heard , rust and all other things you wouldnt want to attract in your life from Porsche ownership.. It should stay in Handorf as a sign of the dodged bullet of the Bull market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLD Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-13043305?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA I love it... Pork Chops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 I have a friend who would be keen for some details on that? @Coastrsure, send me a pm and I'll put you in contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 A polling booth question .. how much would you pay for a Mint late model 928 S4 …. not what have they sold for ..what money could be squeezed out of your pocket..Wot colour? Auto or manual? Smoker or non-smoker? When was last major service? etc symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 Looks stunning and yes, it's rare ........ but $180k ?? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1989/SSE-AD-4134219/?Cr=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 Looks stunning and yes, it's rare ........ but $180k ?? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1989/SSE-AD-4134219/?Cr=0$4k depreciation over 32 years is pretty good TrevMcRev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLD Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 $4k depreciation over 32 years is pretty good $4k appreciation! turboT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 (edited) Wot colour? Auto or manual? Smoker or non-smoker? When was last major service? etc Red , white or black , manual , good nick … 87/88 I will sell it after driving it if I buy it or would that make me a flipper , or will cruise in it for the summer Edited 5July, 2016 by symsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 $4k appreciation!Strictly speaking this was a $516,000 Porsche in today's money. This is why I will never buy a new car again! JLD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 (edited) Looks stunning and yes, it's rare ........ but $180k ??http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1989/SSE-AD-4134219/?Cr=0The M491 option on a 3.2 always makes me think of Wonderbras..................all padding!Actually it would only have the 217hp engine not a 231.That one does makes this 993 look like a better buy:http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1995/SSE-AD-4133431/?Cr=3 Notice Reggie's old blue 993 C2 that was advertised for $135k with 135,000ish km has gone. Edited 5July, 2016 by Peter M clutch-monkey and smule 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 Looks stunning and yes, it's rare ........ but $180k ?? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1989/SSE-AD-4134219/?Cr=0try and find another one I guess.destined for a collectors garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELSPORTO Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 PS The green car should just remain as a memorial to sellers of EBAY and Gumtree and testimonial for the intergrity crew a symbol of potential shonky crash repairs , hang on mate I have all the paperwork , I just need to find it statements we have all heard , rust and all other things you wouldnt want to attract in your life from Porsche ownership.. It should stay in Handorf as a sign of the dodged bullet of the Bull market So what have you offered him for it? Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 The M491 option on a 3.2 always makes me think of Wonderbras..................all padding!Wonderbra ..... standard bra ..... more than happy to get into either one .. (sorry, couldn't help myself) Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 So what have you offered him for it?100k …. thats about what its worth I would offer slightly more but , it aint no collector ..without any provenance ..its a nice looking driver projectThis guy wouldnt sellI know some who have offered more ..hes playing one against the other..just wasting manys time.Funny man , he has a different story for every different offer..he doesnt respond to real questions for real information in writing.As I said he and it belongs on the EBAY wall of fameSo folks what are manual 97/88 928's S4s worth , sub 100kms , good condition , no leather , manualIts not this but this is nice no ??http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-928-1989/OAG-AD-12522513/?Cr=8or this http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-928-1987/SSE-AD-4134528/?Cr=2 or is the manual the one to pay the premium for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 100k …. thats about what its worth I would offer slightly more but , it aint no collector ..without any provenance ..its a nice looking driver projectThis guy wouldnt sellI know some who have offered more ..hes playing one against the other..just wasting manys time.Funny man , he has a different story for every different offer..he doesnt respond to real questions for real information in writing.As I said he and it belongs on the EBAY wall of fameAs a matter of interest, you say provenance ..... what exactly is it that you require?(honest question ... heard it thrown around and not quite sure what is needed / wanted)Isn't the information from Porsche Australia enough through the VIN / engine numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 As a matter of interest, you say provenance ..... what exactly is it that you require?(honest question ... heard it thrown around and not quite sure what is needed / wanted)Isn't the information from Porsche Australia enough through the VIN / engine numbers?Well Im just sharing what I experience/ ed in trying to sell my own perfect classic..9+/10 car ..the net results so far offers 20-30% under any market expectations because of lack of ownership documentsFor example this bundle of expectations , owners manual , log books , stamped , copies of other repairs that suppport the chronology /kms story , other interetsing areas of exposure mag articles , competitions etc , if body/resto repairs ..a profile of whom did it and their experience and copies of photographs , even a professional concours judges expert review and more . If an overseas car like UK , a copy of potentially every annual safety check or MOT document..Also the factory build sheet and or card , in my case a certified copy of the build from British Motoring Heritage TrustThis is what some ask for when considering a car as a complete top dollar investment opportunity. I guess like an antique or painting.I have been applying this to many of the deals I have been offered , I must have been offered 30-50 cars as part trade for my own car and looked and chased about 30 cars in the past six months and before you say it , I have made two purchases non Pcar kind..So I banter on this Forum and but what I share is what I have experienced I totally agree all this is necessary but thats what the top end of town that I have been talking with ask for..Its all well an good to say what its worth , what was spent , the question is how much will someone take out their wallet to own…and what are the confidence documents and oppinions they seek to part with their hard earned cash.Its not what I require either ..its just you know when you smell bullshit and you dont have to eat it or rub your nose in it ..Car with no documents , is a car with no documents…. a good car maybe but worth less money , in my experience 10-30% less , especially overseas , where they cant sight the car … remember this is a small island on the otherside of the world to many buyers , they click like on facebook posts but they dont get on planes , they click buy on face value deals ..not risky business Coastr, Dreamr and michel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 try and find another one I guess.destined for a collectors garage.UK delivered one with CTS tax still cheaper http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1986/OAG-AD-12764523/?Cr=39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELSPORTO Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 100k …. thats about what its worth I would offer slightly more but , it aint no collector ..without any provenance ..its a nice looking driver projectThis guy wouldnt sellI know some who have offered more ..hes playing one against the other..just wasting manys time.Funny man , he has a different story for every different offer..he doesnt respond to real questions for real information in writing.As I said he and it belongs on the EBAY wall of fameSo folks what are manual 97/88 928's S4s worth , sub 100kms , good condition , no leather , manualIts not this but this is nice no ??http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-928-1989/OAG-AD-12522513/?Cr=8or this http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-928-1987/SSE-AD-4134528/?Cr=2 or is the manual the one to pay the premium forSounds like a fair offer. Personally I would rather an SC targa at half the price. symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 Red , white or black , manual , good nick … 87/88 I will sell it after driving it if I buy it or would that make me a flipper , or will cruise in it for the summer I would pay upwards of 25k and maybe15k more if everything checked out and it drove tight. Easily worth as much as a good 996 na. Easily. symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 (edited) So folks what are manual 97/88 928's S4s worth , sub 100kms , good condition , no leather , manualIts not this but this is nice no ??http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-928-1989/OAG-AD-12522513/?Cr=8or this http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-928-1987/SSE-AD-4134528/?Cr=2 or is the manual the one to pay the premium forThe Blue one is an import and non standard colour, hard to price that one but I feel $44k is too high...The silver one looks very nice and if I were buying would be seriously considered! Maybe a little high, but could be where these cars are now? "I’m not starving and under nourished… the price is the price and not negotiable." Interesting! The market will determine where the price is and he may have to negotiate.... A month or 2 ago a similar car with about triple the km sold on ebay for low $40s, which still seems way over priced to me!Manuals do seem to command more $$$, less were made, but I think condition and service history should be the biggest factor on price. Have you driven said car you are considering?I think a starting point as Tazzie said would be $25k odd and the sky is the limit! Overseas they go for much, much more... $175k for a GTS!! Edited 5July, 2016 by ANF symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 As a matter of interest, you say provenance ..... what exactly is it that you require?(honest question ... heard it thrown around and not quite sure what is needed / wanted)Isn't the information from Porsche Australia enough through the VIN / engine numbers?To take symsy's answer further, take my 964RS as an example. It had every single receipt from the day it was first sold. Being a UK car, it had every MOT (safety inspection) which means you can guarantee the mileage as genuine. It had the name of every owner. It had almost every certificate of insurance. It had details of every time anything had been done to the car, including the receipts each time it had new tyres. My favorite piece of history was the details of why it had paintwork - I drove over a pair of pliers, at speed, throwing them into the rear fender creating a pliers shaped dent. The "good" bit? Not only did I have a full photo history of it but I also had the pliers. The new owner loved that level of history. In total, the history file was made up of over 100 pieces of paper, which were all contained in a really leather bound file the same tri-colours as the car seats. Even thoiugh I knew the car inside out, every so often, I used to spend the evening simply reading the file because it was so interesting - one of the specialists who looked ater the car wrote essays about what they did to the car (Autofarm). I estimate that history, compared with a lesser history of, say, stamps in the log book, added $30-50k to the value of the car.With the MFI Targa, the lack of history hits the value hard. Diamond911, Dreamr, sandy468 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond911 Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 So folks what are manual 97/88 928's S4s worth , sub 100kms , good condition , no leather , manualIts not this but this is nice no ??http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-928-1989/OAG-AD-12522513/?Cr=8or this http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-928-1987/SSE-AD-4134528/?Cr=2 or is the manual the one to pay the premium forJust curious symsy why you have limited your 928 S4 years to 87/88 and not up to 91?My preference is actually the 87/88 S4 prior to the introduction of the digital dash. As ANF has pointed about above, an S4 sold on ebay for $49K with >300,000km's on the ODO.I've had my 88 S4 now for a few weeks and can report back that I love it. I had the same intentions as you to drive it for a while, perhaps the summer and then on sell it - not as a flip but to experience a classic water cooled/GT as something different. Now that I have it though, I would find it really hard to part with it and now don't intend to on sell it.That 87 silver one you you linked looks really nice. I'm not big on the blue one.Relative to other 928's I've seen sell I don't think that 87 silver one is far off the mark. There seems to be a a bit of a groundswell of increasing love for the 928s globally and prices rising accordingly. Even MW recently got in on the action I see.Although less relevant to your original question, this uber rare 928 CS at Bonhams may set a new global record for 928 prices:https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23596/preview_lot/4978143/I was tentative on the auto thing in the 928 as I'm a lover of the stick, but after driving my 88 auto now daily for a few weeks I wouldn't have it any other way as it's so well matched to the engine and what the car was designed for in my opinion. ANF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 5July, 2016 Report Share Posted 5July, 2016 Thanks chaps for the 928 infos , the input for the discussion on 87/88 thats just what was being offered to me …hence the questions relating to this era.Anything you can say of the GTS , CS , SE models are they special by cosmetic outlook or really a big mechanical difference ? I undertand they are rare …how do you think those fare against the RS , CS , GT coulterparts in the 911 world…do they warramt and command such premiums.I say this as although I have owned one and love the 87 911 Supersport it is really as a PHAT driving experience of a 3.2, in the UK in particular this era was the tim eof more opulent interiors etc etec bit not much change under the bonnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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