DJM Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Am I game? Never even driven an aircooled.... While there is lots of emotion and nostalgia around them, I just don't know if it is really a step backwards. While the diehards have their objections to modern Porsches, surely each series was a step forward from the last... Hugh, I think I need a test drive of your 964 to put my head straight! Trev, You really need one of each to objectively compare........! So do a Hugh, keep the existing car and add a 964. But seriously, From what I've seen on SMT, you enjoy the performance of your 996. Gut feel says the 964 won't feel quite as quick albeit more raw, involving and "classic". Depends what you are looking for. I initially set out to buy a 997C2S and bought the 964C2 because it looked great and I was wooed by the air cooled thing. Lovely car but for me I wanted a bit more performance. I fleetingly considered mods but quickly decided that would wreck/devalue it so I moved on. hugh, Peter M and TrevMcRev 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 it is backwards step, but a fun one. same way my original mini is quantifiably a backwards step from the new ones in every way, but still more fun to me is there such a thing as cheap coilovers for porsches?? They seem similarly priced to coils for other euro cars. I've only seen XYZ on Japanese cars, though. BTW... I've promised the missus that the next classic car in our garage will be a classic mini... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Well it probably wouldn't be a 50k car either if it was Aus del though. I think it is nuts that which dealer stamped the delivery papers is such an important thing. It makes the car no faster, better to drive or more impervious to faults. Sure, LHD won't command the same ina RHD country and rusty, undocumented cars should be cheap no matter where they are from. But a clean, documented well looked after car in RHD should be equally desirable no matter which Porsche dealer handed over the keys. They were all made in the same factory. The reason Aus del is so important is because everyone agrees that it seems to be important. I've never seen any other car model/make where it gets mentioned as much and has such an impact on prices. It really is quite strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 I think it is nuts that which dealer stamped the delivery papers is such an important thing. It makes the car no faster, better to drive or more impervious to faults. Sure, LHD won't command the same ina RHD country and rusty, undocumented cars should be cheap no matter where they are from. But a clean, documented well looked after car in RHD should be equally desirable no matter which Porsche dealer handed over the keys. They were all made in the same factory. The reason Aus del is so important is because everyone agrees that it seems to be important. I've never seen any other car model/make where it gets mentioned as much and has such an impact on prices. It really is quite strange. Sure, but at the end of the day a lot of people do care and are prepared to pay a premium. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevMcRev Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Trev, You really need one of each to objectively compare........! So do a Hugh, keep the existing car and add a 964. But seriously, From what I've seen on SMT, you enjoy the performance of your 996. Gut feel says the 964 won't feel quite as quick albeit more raw, involving and "classic". Depends what you are looking for. I initially set out to buy a 997C2S and bought the 964C2 because it looked great and I was wooed by the air cooled thing. Lovely car but for me I wanted a bit more performance. I fleetingly considered mods but quickly decided that would wreck/devalue it so I moved on. Thanks Doug, I think you're right here. Given I'm looking to sell my VE Boganwagon and make the 996 a daily, the modern comfort makes sense. And as it is the 996 even leaves me wanting for more...as in "Gee it's great but I wish it were a GT3/Turbo, and now (thanks to you), Gt2!" But it is a great all-rounder. I think something like this 964 and what I'd want to do with it would be more suited to a 2nd Porsche... And of course, the mrs has already said today, "Will 2 911's fit in the garage....Well just get your business pumpin more and have 2 of them" Keeper. Chris-p, BAFE and hugh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Lovely car but for me I wanted a bit more performance. I fleetingly considered mods but quickly decided that would wreck/devalue it so I moved on. I like your modesty, "a bit more" - I'd say the GT2 has at least a bit more, and then some more, and some more..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Sure, but at the end of the day a lot of people do care and are prepared to pay a premium. That's all I'm saying. Yep, not arguing at all, just observing. It's just a tad bizarre, but a very real thing. I guess the car world is full irrational desirables, like a 'flat floor' e-type vs one made the day after they changed the design. It's just odd to me that everyone has agreed to place a value on something that is part of a cars history, rather than the car itself (like the flat floor jags). It's like every aus del car has had a celebrity owner - a dealer with an ABN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 I guess the car world is full irrational desirables, Indeed it is! I bought an Alfa today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 wow.. another 964 just popped up in WA.. LHD... http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-2987714 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coastr Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 You've got to wait another 5 years before that can be registered in QLD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 31August, 2014 Report Share Posted 31August, 2014 Alfa - 105 2,0 berlina? So much car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldslappy Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 I know I've posted this before...... but I just can't get enough of it!! It's moved to Ebay now. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Porsche-911-959-Replica-/231318602532?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item35dba9c324&_uhb=1 Maybe I'm way out of line, but surely $49,000 is totally unreasonable. The only thing that seems to be salvageable is the motor.... & even that has been distastefully modified. The Rothmans 959's were really cool cars... but this doesn't even really resemble one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 given how few people would part with actual money for it, i agree. he would be better off pricing it around 20k and hoping for a sucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 I know this has been up on Carsales for a while now, but it's a really good price for an '89 951. Anybody had a look? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-944-1989/SSE-AD-2601318/?Cr=1&sdmvc=1 Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 Alfa - 105 2,0 berlina? So much car... Sud Sprint Veloce clutch-monkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 I know I've posted this before...... but I just can't get enough of it!! It's moved to Ebay now. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Porsche-911-959-Replica-/231318602532?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item35dba9c324&_uhb=1 Maybe I'm way out of line, but surely $49,000 is totally unreasonable. The only thing that seems to be salvageable is the motor.... & even that has been distastefully modified. The Rothmans 959's were really cool cars... but this doesn't even really resemble one. Huge "investment " in recent years. And if it doesn't sell at the listed price , that will be a big hit for what should be an appreciating model. But so heavily modified it will always have a certain perfume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott930 Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 this looks nice, does anyone know the car? http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1997/AGC-AD-14339699/?Cr=15&sdmvc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 Could this be a risky business? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-2987736?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert%3bPCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3nr15 Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 964 C2 tip (for sale) Mike D'Silva!!! This is for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification I actually wonder if what you're looking for is actually a manual Cayman or 997, or even a 996GT3 - you know the air-con and oil leaks aren't going to improve any with a stick shift 964, and the performance difference between a tipper is negligible. The driving feel in the manual, however, is sublime. hugh and withers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 Could this be a risky business? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-2987736?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert%3bPCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert I can picture you in a purple 928 too! (sorry I mean 'Armaranth Violet') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 Mike D'Silva!!! This is for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification I actually wonder if what you're looking for is actually a manual Cayman or 997, or even a 996GT3 - you know the air-con and oil leaks aren't going to improve any with a stick shift 964, and the performance difference between a tipper is negligible. The driving feel in the manual, however, is sublime. I've always had the motto that everything is for sale.. eventually... but I think you are right about the 3 options listed above. If my Cayman were a manual, it would be awesome. Yes I've pondered over a 997 and just on the weekend I came to the realisation that a GT3 is for me! I'm just not wealthy enough to be able to afford one comfortably at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 I reckon a manual Cayman would be hard to match in that price bracket for water cooled and wicked handling.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 1September, 2014 Report Share Posted 1September, 2014 Could this be a risky business? http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-2987736?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert%3bPCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert No riskier than an '86 911 , if it has been maintained. The engine can last a lot longer (lazy unstressed V8 + auto, hard to redline , low km if can be documented (odos often stop like on 911s)). Vital you price in water pump + TB job (every 5-6 years). and the engine is the 32 valve job , so you do not want a broken TB. But fortune favours the brave and the cars are extremely well made. For what it is , if it checks out with a knowledgeable PPI, that looks pretty cheap. But beware the cost of interior repairs - need some shots there. Also if previous damage it might be impossible to align. But this is no different to any coupe from the same era or later! I'd hit on that car , in that colour and try to keep the plates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 2September, 2014 Report Share Posted 2September, 2014 I was trying to be funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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