MFX Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 So as many of you know, I have a problem. I can't stop building project cars, and of course I like to bite off more than I can chew. That brings me to my latest project. I have decided to do an engine conversion on my Alfa 105 and as I have never done an engine swap before I thought I would start with something simple... like trying to shoehorn a Ferrari 360 V8 into the Alfa's tiny engine bay. Anyway here are the videos so far. dominicxu1, Scott930, JV911 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 How hard could it be ...... What could possibly go wrong ..... Good on ya mate, go for it!!!! MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 14July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 firstone, Cheshire Cat and Scott930 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 Why wouldn ya? Great stuff. 🖒 MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 some inspiration ... GTP911, Scott930 and firstone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 Jeff is this going to be road registered? Race only? That donk is gonna look HUGE in the Alfa engine bay. Hope you know a dodgy roadworthy guy La Alfarrari, I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 14July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 40 minutes ago, Troubleshooter said: Jeff is this going to be road registered? Race only? That donk is gonna look HUGE in the Alfa engine bay. Hope you know a dodgy roadworthy guy La Alfarrari, I love it! Not going to be dodgy at all. I have already been talking with the engineer and it will all be completely road legal. There are state by state rules and national rules. As far as the national rules, you go off of the weight in kgs of the original car (or at least one of the versions of that model). Under 1000kgs means the biggest engine you can fit is the weight x 3. 1000 - 1100 x 4 and 1100+ x5. So in my case my car weighed 1040kgs so the biggest engine I can fit is 4160cc. As the 360 engine is a 3.6l it is within the rules. AdRock, LeeM, Scott930 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 You're off ya head mate 😂 Love it...absolutely love it! firstone and MFX 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 14July, 2019 Report Share Posted 14July, 2019 Road legal, perfect! MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoHeadsTas Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 22 hours ago, Harvs11 said: some inspiration ... Sorry, don't get this whole Drifting thing........ Perhaps I'm too old..... LeeM, Peter M and JV911 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 20 hours ago, MFX said: Not going to be dodgy at all. I have already been talking with the engineer and it will all be completely road legal. There are state by state rules and national rules. As far as the national rules, you go off of the weight in kgs of the original car (or at least one of the versions of that model). Under 1000kgs means the biggest engine you can fit is the weight x 3. 1000 - 1100 x 4 and 1100+ x5. So in my case my car weighed 1040kgs so the biggest engine I can fit is 4160cc. As the 360 engine is a 3.6l it is within the rules. Are you going Transaxle Jeff? to try and even out the weight distribution a bit. I was in the final stages of sorting bits for mine to do a 3.0 GTV and Transaxle swap into mine when I pulled the pin and got a 993 instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 1 hour ago, TwoHeadsTas said: Sorry, don't get this whole Drifting thing........ Perhaps I'm too old..... I'm with you on that. Their car control is pretty impressive though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 15July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 6 hours ago, TwoHeadsTas said: Sorry, don't get this whole Drifting thing........ Perhaps I'm too old..... I get it. I loved it when I was younger and had a few drift cars. The thing I liked is that it was more dependant on driver skill rather than who could spend more to have a faster car. I have well and truly moved on though 5 hours ago, StevepGT3 said: Are you going Transaxle Jeff? to try and even out the weight distribution a bit. I was in the final stages of sorting bits for mine to do a 3.0 GTV and Transaxle swap into mine when I pulled the pin and got a 993 instead. Nope. If you see the Ferrari engine video, I show the transaxle from the Fezza and it would hang out the back of the little Alfa and would look like the car had prolapsed. I have a gearbox already which I will be going through my reasons soon and I am actually planning on just using the Alfa LSD that is in the car which from what I gather is quite stout. How stout we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoHeadsTas Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 Enjoying the whole build Jeff, and have subscribed to your Youtube channel. Especially enjoy Mrs Jeff's info segments, sorry mate but she upstages you every time 🙂 MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 Seeing as you had the original engine, was doing an engine swap a late-breaking idea or that way from the start? I love the idea and the build will be epic - how you're going to troubleshoot an engine swap like that when you were flummoxed by distributor gear timing in the Z will make for great youtube LOL. Seems as though the Z build is a bit tame in comparison, maybe once you've figured out the engine swapping business you can come back with an RB26 or something even spicier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 15July, 2019 Report Share Posted 15July, 2019 10 hours ago, TwoHeadsTas said: Sorry, don't get this whole Drifting thing........ Perhaps I'm too old..... I never quite got it either. The car control is pretty impressive though. Somewhere deep in my brain I recalled Jeff’s drifting history so this ferrari powered drifter was an obvious choice. Imagine the shorter wheelbase Alfa doing this. Wild! MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 17July, 2019 Report Share Posted 17July, 2019 On 14/07/2019 at 12:33, Harvs11 said: some inspiration ... My son can do that! Well, the bit where you hit the wall😂😂😂😂 Harvs11, firstone, Troubleshooter and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 17July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 17July, 2019 On 15/07/2019 at 20:08, Coastr said: Seeing as you had the original engine, was doing an engine swap a late-breaking idea or that way from the start? I love the idea and the build will be epic - how you're going to troubleshoot an engine swap like that when you were flummoxed by distributor gear timing in the Z will make for great youtube LOL. Seems as though the Z build is a bit tame in comparison, maybe once you've figured out the engine swapping business you can come back with an RB26 or something even spicier? I wasn't really sure what the build was going to be when I bought it, but as I got nearer the end of the 680g build, I wanted to do something a little bit crazier and something that would give me more of a challenge. This is definitely going to do that. Unfortunately I will not be able to hang onto the Z for too much longer. The cost of these projects adds up quickly and I can't afford to keep them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 20July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 20July, 2019 In this episode I weigh the Ferrari engine and the original Alfa engine and see how much I am going to 'ruin' the weight balance of this little car. firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-S Posted 20July, 2019 Report Share Posted 20July, 2019 Jeff, I assume you’ve made contact with Andy Burton in the UK about such conversions? He’s a farmer in Herefordshire, but also a very successful rally driver / car builder who built the legendary Alferrari rally car in the late 90’s/ early naughties, followed by the 306 Cosworth. Incredibly successful cars and all built by him, if anyone can give you some assistance or guidance, Andy’s your man. I used to watch him back in the day, his cars are incredible. https://rallysportmag.com/andy-burton-a-local-legend/ Also have a chat to the guys at Retropower, the builders of Gordon Murray’s Escort covered elsewhere on here. The Millington engined 105 they’ve done is a monster. MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 20July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 20July, 2019 I had never heard of Andy Burton, but that is a good read. I love what Retropower did with their 105 (and all fo their cars really). It looks like an amazing piece of gear. Mike-S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-S Posted 20July, 2019 Report Share Posted 20July, 2019 Just do a few YouTube searches and you’ll see his cars on events, they really are stunning. MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 27July, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 27July, 2019 This week is crunch time. Now we can see if this Ferrari engine actually fits, in this tiny little Alfa 105's engine bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulm Posted 5August, 2019 Report Share Posted 5August, 2019 Hey what NSW RMS engineer do you use as i have a project that needs certification my previous one mucked me around a bit and was difficult to contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 10August, 2019 Author Report Share Posted 10August, 2019 On 05/08/2019 at 11:52, Paulm said: Hey what NSW RMS engineer do you use as i have a project that needs certification my previous one mucked me around a bit and was difficult to contact I used Troy Fink who is located in the Wollongong area. Fink Engineering. This week I start designing up the adapter plate for the Ferrari engine and I see if my old Alfa shell is straight or not. Paulm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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