Whats for sale (in Australia ) and interesting Thread

[Raven]

Saw that when I went to the Gosford motor museum it really is a pristine example of a 924 Carrera .........

 

Edited 15March, 2017 by Raven

[vtsyrlin]

Personally, I'd be walking away from that. At that price and with those kays, I wouldn't be expecting the issues you've listed. There seems to be quite a few 996TT's around the $100k mark. I'd be looking to buy private with robust history and a PPI from a reputable source. 

Best piece of used car / bike buying advice I've ever been given is to buy on condition, not on kays. 

 

996TT 'Coming Soon' to Autohaus... $95k. 

https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-2001/OAG-AD-14439335/?Cr=10 

And this looks like a bargain @ $85k asking: 

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-2002/SSE-AD-1057124/?Cr=15 

So much choice currently in 996TT. No need to compromise. 

Why are the all autos.. ?

They are all transpiring against me

still looking for a 996tt manual ..... unsuccessfully.

[Nu2Pcars]

Why are the all autos.. ?

They are all transpiring against me

still looking for a 996tt manual ..... unsuccessfully.

Did you check the one in Autohaus?

As the old saying goes, "Tell 'em they're dreamin".... $120k+ with those probs & with other cars available? NO! Move on!  It may have low mileage but looks like it may have been driven hard. I did the same with duttons last yr, paid a deposit based on PPI ok and PPI not ok. Duttons paid me in full, no prob. As should these guys.

Also, if you do proceed against the forums advice.... be warned, in my experience, dealers tend to not fix stuff like your mechanic would when you pay. They fix to get the deal, you fix for love!! 

Thanks for all the advice guys.

The contract is with a OK PPI as that condition was added in the cooling off period. The dealer is happy for me to call off the deal.

In the interim the dealer has agreed to fix things but I heed Philbee's advice. What if they get everything fixed from a Porsche dealer who did the PPI? Surely thats a guarantee of a job done properly? or am I being naive?

[michel]

There are better cars 

[Philbee]

 What if they get everything fixed from a Porsche dealer who did the PPI? Surely thats a guarantee of a job done properly? or am I being naive?

assume you mean an independent Porsche mechanic...? For my car we did just that, there was one sticking point and we agreed with the dealership to take it to a reputable Indy Porsche mechanic to get it fixed. In my case we split he bill. Otherwise, he who sells the car should not fix thy car. And even if not same, often it's their brother or cousin or mate... Hmmm, you need to check out and know who's doing the work. You select, not them. From this forum I knew the mechanic was a top bloke, not dodgey. 

But the thing is, this car sounds a bit tired. It has problems that will  get fixed but 2 mths from now  2 more things pop up... Cos it's had a hard life. How else do you explain these probs with such low kms?

 

And it shall be said, heed the word of the lord, my son....go forth and select ye a better p car! Or hell hath no fury like a shitbox !

[Nu2Pcars]

assume you mean an independent Porsche mechanic...? For my car we did just that, there was one sticking point and we agreed with the dealership to take it to a reputable Indy Porsche mechanic to get it fixed. In my case we split he bill. Otherwise, he who sells the car should not fix thy car. And even if not same, often it's their brother or cousin or mate... Hmmm, you need to check out and know who's doing the work. You select, not them. From this forum I knew the mechanic was a top bloke, not dodgey. 

But the thing is, this car sounds a bit tired. It has problems that will  get fixed but 2 mths from now  2 more things pop up... Cos it's had a hard life. How else do you explain these probs with such low kms?

 

And it shall be said, heed the word of the lord, my son....go forth and select ye a better p car! Or hell hath no fury like a shitbox !

Yes dear sir!!!

Advice taken on board. Will be acted upon first thing tomorrow.

 

Thanks a lot.

The forums have spoken!!!

 

 

[Nu2Pcars]

If you were to buy from an independent like Autohaus, where would you get a PPI done in Sydney??

What about in Brisbane?

Edited 15March, 2017 by Nu2Pcars

[michel]

R u been obtuse sir ?  ?

I'd go out on a limb and suggest you could buy from AH , without too much concern. 

they have a certain rep to promulagate and ensure others do for them. That said they have three arms to the biz and each nicely supports the other. 

There are other places such as Cavaco in Sydney who could PPI.

i suggest you contact @smit2100 who  oddly hes been very silent on this topic .. he had the TT market  fairly nailed, at least for awhile .

 

[JonoF]

I heard salt spray and vintage metal go hand in hand.

Plenty of backbackers dumping junk on the footpath to remind me of Jono though 

Don't worry, I like to think of all Sydney streets as my personal storage facility / workshop. I have secretly stashed bikes on the streets of Bondi before, so Bronte isn't that much further.  

[scashin]

Love your work Jono - neighbours must love you too!

He follows Colin Chapman.  Simplify and add lightness

If you were to buy from an independent like Autohaus, where would you get a PPI done in Sydney??

What about in Brisbane?

I used Cavaco recently in Sydney.  They seem OK

[smit2100]

Did you check the one in Autohaus?

Thanks for all the advice guys.

The contract is with a OK PPI as that condition was added in the cooling off period. The dealer is happy for me to call off the deal.

In the interim the dealer has agreed to fix things but I heed Philbee's advice. What if they get everything fixed from a Porsche dealer who did the PPI? Surely thats a guarantee of a job done properly? or am I being naive?

Just a view, having thad an eye out on 996 tt pricing for over 2.5 years.  Bottom line is. What's your plan for your car.  Garage queen to support the low km's going forward hence a spin around the block once a week and looking for resale value (personally don't think auto's are on top of the top dollar list even with those low kilometres if resale is your thhing).  Or are you going to actually drive it , enjoy it and put kilometres on the car.

As I see it, at 120k plus, you are purely paying a premium for the low km's.  Has the car been services every 6 months regardless of km's?  The reason I ask is I reckon the best stock example I came across was one a silver manual 2004 series 2 with lots of options eg pcm etc with 50k km and essentially serviced every 5000/ 6 months at Porsche dealer. about a year ago and a black 2004 manual completey stock with 33km on it for 105k two years ago.  Pricing was all over the shop  on the silver one. eg up to 147k but I think it got taken off car sales after price was dropped at the high 120's.

As others have mentioned I reckon market now is circa 100k for an auto (series 2 - 2003 and up which deserves a slight premium and hence series 1's slightly less)  and their not exactly getting snapped up straight away.  (did you have to put a deposit down before they would let you do a ppi???) For 120k plus, theres another 4 -5k to fix that list  you note and it appears to me the the car was a trade in on  F?  , a bit of a quick spit and polish and whack it at the high end of car sale price guide (there been on for a while) and see how we go (not one  of your goto well known Porsche used dealers?).  eg strange tyres are not sorted or windscreen wipers not done at a 30k service..   Little signs of lack of attention to detail, but call me picky particulary if I am spending top top dollar.  Bottom like is I reckon a auto is worth 5k to 10k less than a manual and that puts you up their with paying the highest I am aware of someone picking for an auto for in 2.5 years.

As others have said, I would  run the ruler over the autohaus one (devils in the PPI detail) or the blue private one for crica 105 (get for 5 figures with some argy bargy??), assuming comparable engine compression etc, spend 5k to sort out the shit bits and 6k for a tune and exhaust a you will have a 50% better drivers car than the one you are chasing if left stock when behind the wheel, but might not be as quite tight as the 30k one, but reckon you would need to drive a couple of them to notice that difference.  Then you can pocket 20k to spend on something else.  That said, not a scratch on the duco / interior (eg nothing on the PPI?) sounds like a museum piece to look at.

These cars are getting old and rubber needs replacing.  eg classic is even with 30k  the engine mounts are shot compared to others with many more km's that are not exactly shot, but should be replaced regardless.  I would do them with doing the tranny mounts (997)at the same time. if you are into driving. (absolute must on any 996 tt if not done recently to stiffen up the drivetrain). I am also surprised suspension arms need replacing unless the rubber in those are shot.  As someone else said, low kms is good and sort after, but doesn't mean its been well looked after.  Note Plus sub 100k km is only circa 6000km a year or 120km a week.

Good luck with whatever you choose and make sure they put ps2's or P zero's tyres and get a Porsche stamp to support those fixes to maintain  the patina of the museum piece if that's the way you are going. (only Porsche dealer stamps in the book I am assuming???) That said, that's the only time I see you going to a Porsche dealer, eg paying a lot of P tax purely  for the service stamp to maintain the Patina and not convinced  the work done on a 996 tt at a dealer is any better than your specialist P indi (eg paying a premium to cover the overheads and ambiance). 

PS I reckon if tyres are on their way out, your up for 4-5k to sort out any 996 turbo (eg tyres, updated service (if not done already) tranny and motor mount and shit bits from a PPI and maybe some stone chip. scratch touchup.

@‌Michel, I was all over it with a response penned, hit the send button and the wifi dropped out in this dodgy hotel I'm camped out at for the week. Ironic in that the company we are contracting with   (booked my hotel) has a different business line that signed up 100 million 4g mobile users in six months (starting from testing their network on their employees) and the hotel charged me the same amount for a week of dodgy wifi that would have paid for a sim card with  4gb per month of data for 6 months.   Crazy  - AUD $7 per month for unlimited in country calls and 6gb of data for a 4g sim card pre paid or post.

 

Edited 15March, 2017 by smit2100

[Cars And Coffee Byron Bay]

There are better cars 

@Nu2Pcars......id be listening to this advice from Michel

[OBRUT]

Given we all 959'd on page 959, we should "de-959" on page 960. 

To aid this, I present my masterpiece:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things are pretty tough when even the dog has to look away...

[Peter M]

Why are the all autos.. ?

They are all transpiring against me

still looking for a 996tt manual ..... unsuccessfully.

Did you check the one in Autohaus?

The AH one is an auto.  

I didn't drive it nor did I check everything but everything I did was sound and didn't raise any alarm bells.  

[ANF]

 

The AH one is an auto.  

I didn't drive it nor did I check everything but everything I did was sound and didn't raise any alarm bells.  

Why did not you buy it then

[edgy]

 

The AH one is an auto.  

I didn't drive it nor did I check everything but everything I did was sound and didn't raise any alarm bells.  

Stop looking at Turbo Pete... you know that you really need GT3. 

If you were to buy from an independent like Autohaus, where would you get a PPI done in Sydney??

What about in Brisbane?

You as a buyer for modern Porsche, go to a Porsche centre, they're pretty good a tearing shreds off a car... that works for you as a buyer.  

Don Munro at DHM Auto in Tennyson Brissy is who I would recommend, have personally had very good dealings with Don. 

 

[Nu2Pcars]

 

The AH one is an auto.  

I didn't drive it nor did I check everything but everything I did was sound and didn't raise any alarm bells.  

There is a 2004 convertible manual 996 Turbo as well on their list.

[HH1]

There is a 2004 convertible manual 996 Turbo as well on their list.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people ushering you away from a convertible.

[SimonN]

Holy shitballs 

$195k

Wasn't the last one of these about 95k?

And was it this one?

https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-924-1981/OAG-AD-14463422

I saw this yesterday and did a double take but wanted to know more about the values of them. The things to consider is that this is a rhd car which is rarer than the lhd ones, and this is the lowest mileage one I have come across (7400 miles). A recent sale of a 75,000 kms lhd car was about $150,000 and there are others around that seem to have made or are asking $150k with similar mileage. Therefore, how much is a super low mileage rhd car worth? Is it really that hard to believe these cars are sought after. It's probably one of the most iconic front engined Porsches. I think we have been caught napping with this one and I suspect there is still growth potential even at these "crazy" levels.

[michel]

Just a view, having thad an eye out on 996 tt pricing for over 2.5 years.  Bottom line is. What's your plan for your car.  Garage queen to support the low km's going forward hence a spin around the block once a week and looking for resale value (personally don't think auto's are on top of the top dollar list even with those low kilometres if resale is your thhing).  Or are you going to actually drive it , enjoy it and put kilometres on the car.

As I see it, at 120k plus, you are purely paying a premium for the low km's.  Has the car been services every 6 months regardless of km's?  The reason I ask is I reckon the best stock example I came across was one a silver manual 2004 series 2 with lots of options eg pcm etc with 50k km and essentially serviced every 5000/ 6 months at Porsche dealer. about a year ago and a black 2004 manual completey stock with 33km on it for 105k two years ago.  Pricing was all over the shop  on the silver one. eg up to 147k but I think it got taken off car sales after price was dropped at the high 120's.

As others have mentioned I reckon market now is circa 100k for an auto (series 2 - 2003 and up which deserves a slight premium and hence series 1's slightly less)  and their not exactly getting snapped up straight away.  (did you have to put a deposit down before they would let you do a ppi???) For 120k plus, theres another 4 -5k to fix that list  you note and it appears to me the the car was a trade in on  F?  , a bit of a quick spit and polish and whack it at the high end of car sale price guide (there been on for a while) and see how we go (not one  of your goto well known Porsche used dealers?).  eg strange tyres are not sorted or windscreen wipers not done at a 30k service..   Little signs of lack of attention to detail, but call me picky particulary if I am spending top top dollar.  Bottom like is I reckon a auto is worth 5k to 10k less than a manual and that puts you up their with paying the highest I am aware of someone picking for an auto for in 2.5 years.

As others have said, I would  run the ruler over the autohaus one (devils in the PPI detail) or the blue private one for crica 105 (get for 5 figures with some argy bargy??), assuming comparable engine compression etc, spend 5k to sort out the shit bits and 6k for a tune and exhaust a you will have a 50% better drivers car than the one you are chasing if left stock when behind the wheel, but might not be as quite tight as the 30k one, but reckon you would need to drive a couple of them to notice that difference.  Then you can pocket 20k to spend on something else.  That said, not a scratch on the duco / interior (eg nothing on the PPI?) sounds like a museum piece to look at.

These cars are getting old and rubber needs replacing.  eg classic is even with 30k  the engine mounts are shot compared to others with many more km's that are not exactly shot, but should be replaced regardless.  I would do them with doing the tranny mounts (997)at the same time. if you are into driving. (absolute must on any 996 tt if not done recently to stiffen up the drivetrain). I am also surprised suspension arms need replacing unless the rubber in those are shot.  As someone else said, low kms is good and sort after, but doesn't mean its been well looked after.  Note Plus sub 100k km is only circa 6000km a year or 120km a week.

Good luck with whatever you choose and make sure they put ps2's or P zero's tyres and get a Porsche stamp to support those fixes to maintain  the patina of the museum piece if that's the way you are going. (only Porsche dealer stamps in the book I am assuming???) That said, that's the only time I see you going to a Porsche dealer, eg paying a lot of P tax purely  for the service stamp to maintain the Patina and not convinced  the work done on a 996 tt at a dealer is any better than your specialist P indi (eg paying a premium to cover the overheads and ambiance). 

PS I reckon if tyres are on their way out, your up for 4-5k to sort out any 996 turbo (eg tyres, updated service (if not done already) tranny and motor mount and shit bits from a PPI and maybe some stone chip. scratch touchup.

@‌Michel, I was all over it with a response penned, hit the send button and the wifi dropped out in this dodgy hotel I'm camped out at for the week. Ironic in that the company we are contracting with   (booked my hotel) has a different business line that signed up 100 million 4g mobile users in six months (starting from testing their network on their employees) and the hotel charged me the same amount for a week of dodgy wifi that would have paid for a sim card with  4gb per month of data for 6 months.   Crazy  - AUD $7 per month for unlimited in country calls and 6gb of data for a 4g sim card pre paid or post.

 

thank you sir  ?

I saw this yesterday and did a double take but wanted to know more about the values of them. The things to consider is that this is a rhd car which is rarer than the lhd ones, and this is the lowest mileage one I have come across (7400 miles). A recent sale of a 75,000 kms lhd car was about $150,000 and there are others around that seem to have made or are asking $150k with similar mileage. Therefore, how much is a super low mileage rhd car worth? Is it really that hard to believe these cars are sought after. It's probably one of the most iconic front engined Porsches. I think we have been caught napping with this one and I suspect there is still growth potential even at these "crazy" levels.

I am aware of two that are sub 10000kms.. bragging rights to the collector? Yes likely. Shame though it'll unlikely be seen driven as intended.

RHD 72 or 75  built so is a rare thing and a 'world' car. Though I wonder if EURO prices  apply here? 

What did the derek bell car fetch at auction last year? 

Edited 15March, 2017 by michel

[edgy]

 Is it really that hard to believe these cars are sought after. It's probably one of the most iconic front engined Porsches. I think we have been caught napping with this one and I suspect there is still growth potential even at these "crazy" levels.

This Carrera GTR sold for circa 750k euro last year, I think there might be some head room to grow in the future.

They are so often overlooked by most even Porsche enthusiasts but they were a successful race car in their day, the 911 nay sayers can read the 1980 Le Mans results and go cry to their mums.. 

[ANF]

thank you sir  ?

I am aware of two that are sub 10000kms.. bragging rights to the collector? Yes likely. Shame though it'll unlikely be seen driven as intended.

RHD 72 or 75  built so is a rare thing and a 'world' car. Though I wonder if EURO prices  apply here? 

What did the derek bell car fetch at auction last year? 

Do you mean the 928 Derek Bell car or did he have a 924 as well? The 928 was somewhere near $400k I think?

What the spike in global 911 prices has done is raise the awareness of the so called "lesser" models, and now the rare ones of these are sought after. 406 924 Carrera GTs made (75 RHD), the GTS is even rarer with 44 plus 15 CS models, with the big daddy GTR only 19 - these are very rare cars, all of these will keep going up and up....

What I would really love though is a 928 CS

 

[Peter M]

There is a 2004 convertible manual 996 Turbo as well on their list.

True.  However since vt hasn't mentioned an interest in cabs previously I thought the conversation was still about the blue coupe. 

[edgy]

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[ANF]

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962 Schuppan -

and one for a page back..... missed it!!