981 981 Cayman/Boxster Market Watch / How many manual 981CS's were delivered (ANSWERED)

[nytelfer]

I see your seller dropped his price today so now looks particularly good value - offer to pay his asking subject to the seller extending the warranty? I have maintained the warranty on mine (also a 2014 model) as I plan to hold onto the car long-term but if you change over every 2-3 years, arguably not essential. However, it is not a large annual premium if you have to replace a PDK gearbox or even the PCM unit … PM me if you want to discuss ownership experience in more detail.

[Stove]

Hi all!  on continuing the trend of new members looking for 981s.. I’m looking to get into my first Porsche either Cayman or Boxster base model. Either manual or PDK for different reasons. PSE is a must. Ideally with Sport Design wheel. 
PCBrisbane have a manual 2013 981 Cayman for $85k drive away with 50k on the clock. Has PSE, no Sports Design wheel. 20” wheels. Any thoughts on the car and price would be greatly appreciated! 

[Jkay]

13 hours ago, Stove said:

PCBrisbane have a manual 2013 981 Cayman for $85k drive away with 50k on the clock. Has PSE, no Sports Design wheel. 20” wheels. Any thoughts on the car and price would be greatly appreciated! 

Do you mean this car by any chance ? It’s the only manual 981 Cayman I can see for that price on CS, it has PSE, 20” Wheels and no sport design steering wheel.

Doesnt look like a PCBrisbane car, so just be aware that it won’t come with a Porsche warranty if that matters to you, and from personal experience Porsche are funny about renewing warranty’s if you buy it from a dealer other than an official Porsche one (Edit: looks like it’s as Westside BMW from the pics)

However in saying that, a Porsche warranty isn’t essential by any means (in my opinion), and the sport design wheel can easily be sorted. I bought a sport design wheel lightly used for about $1800 and it was an easy swap and you can re use the airbag

Good luck with the search. 

[TwoHeadsTas]

13 hours ago, Stove said:

Hi all!  on continuing the trend of new members looking for 981s.. I’m looking to get into my first Porsche either Cayman or Boxster base model. Either manual or PDK for different reasons. PSE is a must. Ideally with Sport Design wheel. 
PCBrisbane have a manual 2013 981 Cayman for $85k drive away with 50k on the clock. Has PSE, no Sports Design wheel. 20” wheels. Any thoughts on the car and price would be greatly appreciated! 

As a Boxster that would be probably $70-$75k from a dealer, so +$10k for a Cayman is probably close to be being about right (expensive tin roof!!)

[Stove]

41 minutes ago, Jkay said:

Do you mean this car by any chance ? It’s the only manual 981 Cayman I can see for that price on CS, it has PSE, 20” Wheels and no sport design steering wheel.

Doesnt look like a PCBrisbane car, so just be aware that it won’t come with a Porsche warranty if that matters to you, and from personal experience Porsche are funny about renewing warranty’s if you buy it from a dealer other than an official Porsche one (Edit: looks like it’s as Westside BMW from the pics)

However in saying that, a Porsche warranty isn’t essential by any means (in my opinion), and the sport design wheel can easily be sorted. I bought a sport design wheel lightly used for about $1800 and it was an easy swap and you can re use the airbag

Good luck with the search. 

That’s the one! I don’t know why I thought it was PCBrisbane clearly it says BMW in the background. I have a clean 2010 135i to trade as well so being a BMW dealer that may work in my favour. Good to hear regarding the Sports Design wheel, I can look to change that down the track 

[981KMan]

45 minutes ago, Stove said:

That’s the one! I don’t know why I thought it was PCBrisbane clearly it says BMW in the background. I have a clean 2010 135i to trade as well so being a BMW dealer that may work in my favour. Good to hear regarding the Sports Design wheel, I can look to change that down the track 

One thing I noticed in that ad when I saw it the other week (apart from the fact that there are BMW wheels and signs in the background lol) was that it mentioned something about being able to renew the expired Porsche Approved warranty*. I'm quite certain that once a Porsche has gone through the hands of a non-Porsche dealership, it will no longer be possible to renew the extended warranty (different story if it was still under factory 3 year new car warranty, in which case it would still transfer to the buyer). If it was sold privately without passing through a dealer's hands, then it would be a different story. If warranty is important to you and the car was under the official Porsche warranty, then you'd also need to get the Sport Design wheel changed at the Porsche dealership to maintain it... but that wouldn't matter in this case since there would be no warranty.

If you have time to sell the car, you're still going to get more selling privately, especially for a 10+ year old car in good condition. I remember being offered something like $9k by Subaru for a 10 year old Subaru which I sold privately for around $25k lol. They really don't like offering much for older vehicles.

*The warranty is not transferable to licensed motor vehicle dealers acquiring the vehicle for the purpose of resale, rental car entities or businesses whose purpose is transporting passengers.

Source: https://www.porsche.com/australia/accessoriesandservice/porscheservice/vehicleinformation/approvedwarranty/
 

Edited 8July, 2021 by 981KMan

[Jkay]

4 minutes ago, 981KMan said:

I'm quite certain that once a Porsche has gone through the hands of a non-Porsche dealership, it will no longer be possible to renew the extended warranty (different story if it was still under factory 3 year new car warranty, in which case it would still transfer to the buyer). If it was sold privately without passing through a dealer's hands, then it would be a different story. 

That’s what my local Porsche dealer in Aus has said to me as well

41 minutes ago, Stove said:

Good to hear regarding the Sports Design wheel, I can look to change that down the track 

Literally took about half an hour…. If you have Sport Chrono, you’ll need someone to program it so the “Sport” and “Sport Plus” lights illuminate on the steering wheel, but other than that, it was plug and play for me (PDK in my case) 

[Stove]

40 minutes ago, Jkay said:

That’s what my local Porsche dealer in Aus has said to me as well

Literally took about half an hour…. If you have Sport Chrono, you’ll need someone to program it so the “Sport” and “Sport Plus” lights illuminate on the steering wheel, but other than that, it was plug and play for me (PDK in my case) 

Regarding extending the warranty, I wonder if it would make a difference if the car had always been serviced at Porsche? I suppose I can always call and ask

[NBTBRV8]

https://www.porschebrighton.com.au/Warranty-Extension

Technically the car can't get the warranty put back on it, the only way around it is if the last owner who had the Warranty on it presents the vehicle at a dealer and says it is theirs.

The new owner can't get the warranty put on it in their name.

[Stove]

Just now, NBTBRV8 said:

https://www.porschebrighton.com.au/Warranty-Extension

Technically the car can't get the warranty put back on it, the only way around it is if the last owner who had the Warranty on it presents the vehicle at a dealer and says it is theirs.

The new owner can't get the warranty put on it in their name.

If that’s the case then I suppose it’s a negotiation point. Extended warranty wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Having said that.. is there any major things that could go wrong to consider? No PDK so don’t have to worry about that. 

[JLD]

20 minutes ago, NBTBRV8 said:

https://www.porschebrighton.com.au/Warranty-Extension

Technically the car can't get the warranty put back on it, the only way around it is if the last owner who had the Warranty on it presents the vehicle at a dealer and says it is theirs.

The new owner can't get the warranty put on it in their name.

Re warranty extension... I had some issues extending mine with a couple of dealers. Porsche Melbourne fixed it on the spot for me. I'm guessing because they're factory owned they just do it. I would contact them rather than a franchise

[rego]

19 minutes ago, Stove said:

If that’s the case then I suppose it’s a negotiation point. Extended warranty wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Having said that.. is there any major things that could go wrong to consider? No PDK so don’t have to worry about that. 

I wouldn't be too worried, 981 models have proven to be very solid.

If you get a pre-purchase inspection done on the car get an Over Rev report run by the shop which does it. This shows if the car has run over redline due to a miss-shift, which is possible on a manual car.

Any Porsche specialist should do this as part of the inspection. Some amount of low range over-revs are fine and Porsche even warrants cars with low range over-revs so having some shouldn't be a deal breaker. Ask the shop to interpret the report for you as it shows the last time it was over-revved and how much time it has spent over redline.

I've purchased a manual Porsche without a report and it ended up having zero over-revs (was during a Covid lockdown last year and the car was too cheap to pass up) but there is always a risk someone has buzzed the engine and you'll have no idea without running the report.

[P-Kay]

Re extended warranty: I agree with all that you guys have said and have also ready the blurb on the website.

I would however wager that if you paid the charge to have the car checked and all tests passed, then paid the extended warranty fee, you will have a fresh 12 months (or more depending on what you paid)

[TwoHeadsTas]

26 minutes ago, Stove said:

If that’s the case then I suppose it’s a negotiation point. Extended warranty wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Having said that.. is there any major things that could go wrong to consider? No PDK so don’t have to worry about that. 

We bought our 2013 car nearly 3 years ago, through an independent dealer so no extended warranty.  Been trouble free run, car will have 60,000kms in 3 mths when the Novated Lease runs out.  I looked at what we would replace it with, but wife likes this car too much so we'll just pay it out.  Have just put our 2nd set of tyres on it, and it's about to get rotors and brake pads all round, and a general paint tidyup  to use up some of the available funds in the Novated Lease expense account, but nothing else needs doing.  It is PDK, and certainly no issues.  Given current value, if we sold it, it would have cost us basically fuel and tyres and $700/yr servicing over the 3 years we've had it, got to be happy with that!!

[Stove]

43 minutes ago, rego said:

I wouldn't be too worried, 981 models have proven to be very solid.

If you get a pre-purchase inspection done on the car get an Over Rev report run by the shop which does it. This shows if the car has run over redline due to a miss-shift, which is possible on a manual car.

Any Porsche specialist should do this as part of the inspection. Some amount of low range over-revs are fine and Porsche even warrants cars with low range over-revs so having some shouldn't be a deal breaker. Ask the shop to interpret the report for you as it shows the last time it was over-revved and how much time it has spent over redline.

I've purchased a manual Porsche without a report and it ended up having zero over-revs (was during a Covid lockdown last year and the car was too cheap to pass up) but there is always a risk someone has buzzed the engine and you'll have no idea without running the report.

Thanks, I’ll definitely get an overrev check done. Porsche Brisbane said they can do it for an hours labour but don’t have time for a full PPI atm. Given I can’t extend the warranty anyway, wondering if I should bother with a full inspection or just get overrev check done 

 

1 hour ago, NBTBRV8 said:

https://www.porschebrighton.com.au/Warranty-Extension

Technically the car can't get the warranty put back on it, the only way around it is if the last owner who had the Warranty on it presents the vehicle at a dealer and says it is theirs.

The new owner can't get the warranty put on it in their name.

You’re exactly correct - that’s what Porsche Brisbane just told me as well. 

 

40 minutes ago, TwoHeadsTas said:

We bought our 2013 car nearly 3 years ago, through an independent dealer so no extended warranty.  Been trouble free run, car will have 60,000kms in 3 mths when the Novated Lease runs out.  I looked at what we would replace it with, but wife likes this car too much so we'll just pay it out.  Have just put our 2nd set of tyres on it, and it's about to get rotors and brake pads all round, and a general paint tidyup  to use up some of the available funds in the Novated Lease expense account, but nothing else needs doing.  It is PDK, and certainly no issues.  Given current value, if we sold it, it would have cost us basically fuel and tyres and $700/yr servicing over the 3 years we've had it, got to be happy with that!!

981 sounds like they’re solid cars and hold their value well. Knowing my luck I’ll get it.. Covid will be over, and prices will drop 10-20k but hey haha

[NBTBRV8]

1 minute ago, Stove said:

Thanks, I’ll definitely get an overrev check done. Porsche Brisbane said they can do it for an hours labour but don’t have time for a full PPI atm. Given I can’t extend the warranty anyway, wondering if I should bother with a full inspection or just get overrev check done 

 

You’re exactly correct - that’s what Porsche Brisbane just told me as well. 

 

981 sounds like they’re solid cars and hold their value well. Knowing my luck I’ll get it.. Covid will be over, and prices will drop 10-20k but hey haha

I wouldn't be surprised that the car is being sold on consignment so the dealer doesn't own it, hence why they are saying it can have the warranty put on it (assuming it is the Porsche warranty they are referring to and the current owner can do it).

[TwoHeadsTas]

1 hour ago, NBTBRV8 said:

I wouldn't be surprised that the car is being sold on consignment so the dealer doesn't own it, hence why they are saying it can have the warranty put on it (assuming it is the Porsche warranty they are referring to and the current owner can do it).

Hey Gavin, it's almost 2 yrs 9mths since you got your GT3, seeing as you and Dianne were on the same boat back to Tassie 🙂  At least Chris is now driving your GT3 to some extent, although he is afraid of the rain........

[NBTBRV8]

2 minutes ago, TwoHeadsTas said:

Hey Gavin, it's almost 2 yrs 9mths since you got your GT3, seeing as you and Dianne were on the same boat back to Tassie 🙂  At least Chris is now driving your GT3 to some extent, although he is afraid of the rain........

Yes he came to see me a few weeks ago at the workshop and said he hadn't used it much but was still liking the car.  I get the impression it was a bit too hardcore for his wife though.

It will be a long time before I get back in a Porsche, the prices are too crazy (for what I like).

[PeterSA]

7 hours ago, Jkay said:

Do you mean this car by any chance ? It’s the only manual 981 Cayman I can see for that price on CS, it has PSE, 20” Wheels and no sport design steering wheel.

Doesnt look like a PCBrisbane car, so just be aware that it won’t come with a Porsche warranty if that matters to you, and from personal experience Porsche are funny about renewing warranty’s if you buy it from a dealer other than an official Porsche one (Edit: looks like it’s as Westside BMW from the pics)

However in saying that, a Porsche warranty isn’t essential by any means (in my opinion), and the sport design wheel can easily be sorted. I bought a sport design wheel lightly used for about $1800 and it was an easy swap and you can re use the airbag

Good luck with the search. 

Just note that it is the car without adaptive suspension, it was standard on S but optional on non-S. I think that for a daily, you would miss it. It is not uncomfortable, don't get me wrong, but the adaptive suspension makes it more comfortable. Also the car doesn't have the dynamic lights, so it has only 25 W xenons, and these are ok, but not great. So, if you do some night driving, you might be disappointed that the xenon performance is not what you would expect. Cars with PDLS have 35 watts and it is big difference. PDLS was standard only on GTS model.

[nytelfer]

The point @PeterSA makes re no PASM is relevant for this car which is fitted with Carrera Classic rims which are 20” diameter & wider than the more popular 20” Carrera Sport alloys - you would want to be sure you are happy with ride. Also note the manual gearbox is the basically the same as the GT4 transmission which was subject to a recall in certain markets. Porsche Australia has replaced the gearbox on a couple of manual cars (i.e. non GT4) under warranty that I am aware of - not sure how widespread this is or what the symptoms might be but worth checking this out. 

[Stove]

23 hours ago, PeterSA said:

Just note that it is the car without adaptive suspension, it was standard on S but optional on non-S. I think that for a daily, you would miss it. It is not uncomfortable, don't get me wrong, but the adaptive suspension makes it more comfortable. Also the car doesn't have the dynamic lights, so it has only 25 W xenons, and these are ok, but not great. So, if you do some night driving, you might be disappointed that the xenon performance is not what you would expect. Cars with PDLS have 35 watts and it is big difference. PDLS was standard only on GTS model.

 

22 hours ago, nytelfer said:

The point @PeterSA makes re no PASM is relevant for this car which is fitted with Carrera Classic rims which are 20” diameter & wider than the more popular 20” Carrera Sport alloys - you would want to be sure you are happy with ride. Also note the manual gearbox is the basically the same as the GT4 transmission which was subject to a recall in certain markets. Porsche Australia has replaced the gearbox on a couple of manual cars (i.e. non GT4) under warranty that I am aware of - not sure how widespread this is or what the symptoms might be but worth checking this out. 

Thanks guys. I’m not averse to a firmer ride but I’ll make sure. It will be mostly a weekender. Daily drive these days is my office chair at home haha. Good to know regarding the transmission I’ll look into that.
Is there a way I can get full options list on that car from the ad or do I need the VIN? 

[nytelfer]

Options include metallic paint, 20” Carrera Classic alloys, sports exhaust, front parking sensors, Bose & sports tail pipes - there may be others but that’s what is visible from the photos.

 

[AMG]

Hi all

A friend is interested in this Cayman S - would welcome your opinions on it:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-cayman-2014/SSE-AD-5478556/

Thanks

Adam

[nytelfer]

Hi @AMG - other the multi-function steering wheel (in lieu of the preferred Sport Design wheel with proper paddles), this car is well specified & subject to close up inspection, appears to be well priced relative to others on the market - some would prefer to have PASM on cars with 20” wheels but it depends on how sensitive the buyer is to ride quality and intended usage.

[Prodigy]

Just noticed this manual CS up for auction, looks decent, only concern is it says one of the panels appears to have been repainted, may indicate a bit of a bingle although also states no bodywork damage. 🤷‍♂️ 

Anyone purchased from an Auction before?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-porsche-981-cayman-s-1