wilson59 Posted 26January, 2020 Report Share Posted 26January, 2020 29 minutes ago, DJM said: With .1s at mid 200s and .2s starting to dip under 300k, I’d have thought a 991.1 looks pretty unappealing no matter the warranty. If you get stuck with a failed engine outside of warranty, the repair cost is probably double that price gap. And as stated by others many times, maintaining an inferior design and just hardening the suspect bits may not solve the problem for the long term. That’s why I’ve decided not be be tempted by a .1. I can only seem them falling further and taking a dive once engine warranties start to expire. meanwhile, check this out. Stef had a 991.1 GT3 and managed 1:41s, he’s now got a 991.2 GT3 RS and 1:39 out of the box on his first attempt. Wow! https://youtu.be/GUcu4SG2xAI That’s an expensive two seconds DJM, NBTBRV8 and Troubleshooter 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 26January, 2020 Report Share Posted 26January, 2020 49 minutes ago, wilson59 said: That’s an expensive two seconds $100k ish per second? But 1:39 in a stock road car on road tyres is astonishing. wilson59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 1 hour ago, Scott SS964 said: On Warranties, It is a must in my opinion if you own a 991.1 GT3 to keep your extended warranty current given the engine issues with the E and F series engines. This is the 1st time I have actually seen photos of the finger follow damage leading to the high RPM misfires, these photos are from an E series engine with 22,500kms. I not going to speculate on specific history of the car other than to say the owner stated that he has only tracked the car once. Porsche replaced the engine inside a week with the latest G series engine. My understanding is that the fix in the G series engine is that Porsche has changed supplier of these faulty components and has strengthened them by applying a "different hardening/process to these parts". Does anyone in the know have further information on what else has been done to rectify this issue? Have they increased the oil flow/circulation to this area? etc.. From what I understand the hardening is Porsche's 'fix'. After looking at the head on the bench and looking at the detail that went into Performance Developments solution, which does involve added oiling, it is quite involved, and a lot of modification. I doubt Porsche have gone that far, just warrant them a bit longer and then wipe their hands of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 I’ve seen enough 991.1’s (including RS versions) engines fail to confirm for me that their issues aren’t just a rumour that’s gone viral. Unfortunately it’s a very real issue that fortunately Porsche themselves acknowledge. I believe a replacement engine is circa 60k. @DJM 991.2 STD GT3 has essentially the same power and in a manual is lighter than a 991.1 RS. Just saying. SS 3 and MFX 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS 3 Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 8 minutes ago, hugh said: I’ve seen enough 991.1’s (including RS versions) engines fail to confirm for me that their issues aren’t just a rumour that’s gone viral. Unfortunately it’s a very real issue that fortunately Porsche themselves acknowledge. I believe a replacement engine is circa 60k. @DJM 991.2 STD GT3 has essentially the same power and in a manual is lighter than a 991.1 RS. Just saying. You would think that given Porsche are replacing the faulty engine units that they would do what ever it took to adapt the 4L engine to fit the 991.1 and just drop them in and be done with it everyone is happy!!! hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scott SS964 said: You would think that given Porsche are replacing the faulty engine units that they would do what ever it took to adapt the 4L engine to fit the 991.1 and just drop them in and be done with it everyone is happy!!! Porsche is more forward thinking than that. After the warranty is up, they will be able to continue to make money selling new heads and wear items for these forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 58 minutes ago, DJM said: $100k ish per second? But 1:39 in a stock road car on road tyres is astonishing. I actually did a 1.41 on a stock $30,000 Ducati it was a much cheaper option . Getting anywhere into the 30, s around the island is impressive DJM, hugh, Troubleshooter and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 27January, 2020 Report Share Posted 27January, 2020 4 hours ago, hugh said: I’ve seen enough 991.1’s (including RS versions) engines fail to confirm for me that their issues aren’t just a rumour that’s gone viral. Unfortunately it’s a very real issue that fortunately Porsche themselves acknowledge. I believe a replacement engine is circa 60k. Add labour and ancillaries etc and I assume it’d be closer to 100k. When my GT2 engine went bang what 4 years ago, PCM quoted ~90k over the phone for a short engine swap. Chances are it’d have gone north from there. 4 hours ago, hugh said: @DJM 991.2 STD GT3 has essentially the same power and in a manual is lighter than a 991.1 RS. Just saying. Correct. Might lack the last couple of % in steering and handling compared to an RS but for the average punter and given the price delta, it’s “enough”. Less shouty too. Having watched quite a few vids of late, manual is probably the go notwithstanding slightly slower lap times. I’ll keep my powder dry and get through a busy period ahead but one day I might just be lurking at Tacoma Maccas in a 991.2 early one Sunday.......😂 SS 3 and hugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegums Posted 28January, 2020 Report Share Posted 28January, 2020 On 27/01/2020 at 06:27, DJM said: With .1s at mid 200s and .2s starting to dip under 300k, I’d have thought a 991.1 looks pretty unappealing no matter the warranty. If you get stuck with a failed engine outside of warranty, the repair cost is probably double that price gap. And as stated by others many times, maintaining an inferior design and just hardening the suspect bits may not solve the problem for the long term. That’s why I’ve decided not be be tempted by a .1. I can only seem them falling further and taking a dive once engine warranties start to expire. meanwhile, check this out. Stef had a 991.1 GT3 and managed 1:41s, he’s now got a 991.2 GT3 RS and 1:39 out of the box on his first attempt. Wow! https://youtu.be/GUcu4SG2xAI I love the look of the 991.1 and prefer it to the look of the 991.2 but you are right about not being tempted. DJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 1February, 2020 Report Share Posted 1February, 2020 “UK built and imported in 2019”........eh? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-Porsche-911-GT3-RS-991-Auto-MY16/SSE-AD-6512144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTBRV8 Posted 1February, 2020 Report Share Posted 1February, 2020 1 minute ago, DJM said: “UK built and imported in 2019”........eh? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-Porsche-911-GT3-RS-991-Auto-MY16/SSE-AD-6512144 Yes, I saw that yesterday. It would have to be at least $40k overpriced you'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTBRV8 Posted 13February, 2020 Report Share Posted 13February, 2020 Not sure what is going on with the Miami blue mk2 in QLD with AZ KIKR plates. It disappeared off the market to arrive at Duttons by the look of it ($20k cheaper), but the owner still has it listed. Also the plates are also shown on a Carrera in another ad. Maybe the GT3 shouldn't be listed now and plates have been transferred? Check out this 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY18. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2018-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY18/SSE-AD-5998076 Check out this 2017 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY18. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY18/AGC-AD-6896975 Check out this 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S 991 Auto. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2012-Porsche-911-Carrera-S-991-Auto/SSE-AD-4107589 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWY Posted 14February, 2020 Report Share Posted 14February, 2020 4 hours ago, NBTBRV8 said: Not sure what is going on with the Miami blue mk2 in QLD with AZ KIKR plates. It disappeared off the market to arrive at Duttons by the look of it ($20k cheaper), but the owner still has it listed. Also the plates are also shown on a Carrera in another ad. Maybe the GT3 shouldn't be listed now and plates have been transferred? Check out this 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY18. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2018-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY18/SSE-AD-5998076 Check out this 2017 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY18. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY18/AGC-AD-6896975 Check out this 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S 991 Auto. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2012-Porsche-911-Carrera-S-991-Auto/SSE-AD-4107589 Well you have flushed something out of hiding. Both private ads no longer live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 Been watching this market a while now and it seems the 991.1 is as popular as Coronavirus . They seem to sit quite some time while the 991.2 still seem to be selling OK . Is the bad run of motors going to be it's legacy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tinker Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 Lots and lots of opinions on Pistonheads regarding the rapidly diminishing 10 year warranty (now down to ~ 4 years) and how long you dare keep your 991.1 before the massive depreciation hits home and you can't sell the car for love or money. Someone posted up a cost of about +/- $90,000 (iirc) for a replacement motor if it needed replacing after the warranty lapses, so your Coronavirus comment may be appropriate..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 16 minutes ago, Stephen Tinker said: Lots and lots of opinions on Pistonheads regarding the rapidly diminishing 10 year warranty (now down to ~ 4 years) and how long you dare keep your 991.1 before the massive depreciation hits home and you can't sell the car for love or money. Someone posted up a cost of about +/- $90,000 (iirc) for a replacement motor if it needed replacing after the warranty lapses, so your Coronavirus comment may be appropriate..... That is quite a costly exercise . I saw a 4.0 litre being parted out the other day with the motor being sold for low 30 K . Would have been a good proposition for a 3.8 owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 Porsche should be made to put .2 motors in them as bandaids always fall off eventually DJM, Troubleshooter, wilson59 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTBRV8 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 4 hours ago, wilson59 said: Been watching this market a while now and it seems the 991.1 is as popular as Coronavirus . They seem to sit quite some time while the 991.2 still seem to be selling OK . Is the bad run of motors going to be it's legacy ? I watch it closely too and I don't think .2 cars are selling any faster. Also look at the .1 RS market, just static. I think it is just the state of the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 24 minutes ago, NBTBRV8 said: I watch it closely too and I don't think .2 cars are selling any faster. Also look at the .1 RS market, just static. I think it is just the state of the market. Yeah Nah . I think everything else is going . I have had a eye on plenty of .2 cars and they are all selling top of my head I can think of a half a dozen cars sold Maybe the .1 RS market has the same stigma attached to it . I know those engines are being replaced as well Not a lot left in the 996 /997 market either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTBRV8 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 12 minutes ago, wilson59 said: Yeah Nah . I think everything else is going . I have had a eye on plenty of .2 cars and they are all selling top of my head I can think of a half a dozen cars sold Maybe the .1 RS market has the same stigma attached to it . I know those engines are being replaced as well Not a lot left in the 996 /997 market either I can think of at least two .1 cars that have gone in the last month. Many of the .2 cars have been for sale for months. So I really don't think you can say that they are moving much faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 7 hours ago, StevepGT3 said: Porsche should be made to put .2 motors in them as bandaids always fall off eventually I don’t think it fits, that is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 17February, 2020 Report Share Posted 17February, 2020 23 minutes ago, sleazius said: I don’t think it fits, that is the issue. Doesn’t fit the film flam plan more likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTBRV8 Posted 21February, 2020 Report Share Posted 21February, 2020 Doesn't this look like a piece of sh!t, makes mine look even more of a bargain given the asking price. Check out this 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY15. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY15/OAG-AD-18476307 GC9911 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoHeadsTas Posted 21February, 2020 Report Share Posted 21February, 2020 14 minutes ago, NBTBRV8 said: Doesn't this look like a piece of sh!t, makes mine look even more of a bargain given the asking price. Check out this 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY15. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY15/OAG-AD-18476307 At Nick Theodossi in Melb by the look of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 21February, 2020 Report Share Posted 21February, 2020 2 hours ago, NBTBRV8 said: Check out this 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 991 Auto MY15. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-Porsche-911-GT3-991-Auto-MY15/OAG-AD-18476307 I am in love with this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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