Dutch68 Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 Early days but researching the option of purchasing an auto 964/993 and convert to manual. Not sure if the project will be too expensive and best to purchase a manual...there just seems to be more autos available at reasonable money and manuals hitting big $$. This will be a keeper so not too concerned about the originality. Will run the options past Autohaus Hamilton and Buchanan however thought the forum may have some insight to assist. Apologies if this has been discussed before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason E Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 34 minutes ago, Dutch68 said: Early days but researching the option of purchasing an auto 964/993 and convert to manual. Not sure if the project will be too expensive and best to purchase a manual...there just seems to be more autos available at reasonable money and manuals hitting big $$. This will be a keeper so not too concerned about the originality. Will run the options past Autohaus Hamilton and Buchanan however thought the forum may have some insight to assist. Apologies if this has been discussed before. (not trying to be a smartarse) I wish I was there when you talk to Bruce Buchanan re this subject (I did). I think a million people have asked him this. His answer will be - it's completely doable if you have a donor manual car to pull all the parts across into your auto car. If you are doing the spannering yourself it would be ok but the cost of your auto to convert/ manual donor car/ time & or Mechanic's fees would be prohibitive compared to just buying a good manual. If I'm wrong Bruce apologies, maybe this was the LHD to RHD converstaion we had. It's all a blur. 😃 tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch68 Posted 2January, 2021 Author Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 Unfortunately I am not wrenching so will need to subsidise (insert name here) mechanic's kids school fees..unless I can find that unicorn manual. Thanks for your post. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 Nothing wrong with a tipa, Do not waste your money, It wil be cheaper to buy a stick shift straight up. Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 I'm with Tomo here mate. Try a tip before deciding, as thats going to be a minimum $20k changeover I reckon tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 The big issue is going to be - where are you going to find the parts? If you can find a wrecked manual car you could get them- but not many of those coming up and bidding on a manual 3.6/6spd is going to get spendy very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch68 Posted 2January, 2021 Author Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 Yes I should revisit the Tiptronic...just always had my sights set on a three pedal given the daily is a flappy paddle. The point about sourcing the donor parts will be one of the challenges. Appreciate the comments. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR901 Posted 2January, 2021 Report Share Posted 2January, 2021 I had a pre 73 that was converted from sporto to manual about 25 years ago & even then it was very expensive (& ultimately diluted the value of an original car). I'd suggest you be patient & wait for a manual.....while the price differential on Carsales is currently about 40k+ I suspect that's more to do with limited cars being on the market over the Christmas period. Having a 993 manual I track the market closely & not that long ago there were a couple of manuals in the low 100's range. Alternatively drive a couple of tiptronics to get a feel for them. I drove a tiptronic as a daily for years & thought it was awesome. While I wouldn't use one on a track a well sorted tiper is perfectly useable (& reliable) for spirited country drives using it manually. I actually think 964/993 tipers are a bit of a bargain at current prices & the manual versions are definitely not 50% more car. Good luck, either way you'll have a great car !! Merv and Peter M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icu_jimmy Posted 3January, 2021 Report Share Posted 3January, 2021 Completely depends on what you want to do with it but I have a 964 tip, have had it about 12 years now, use it always in manual and as an occasional daily and for spirited weekend drives and it is more than suitable for both. I've heard lots of people cast aspersions on the tipper and would guarantee 95%+ have never driven one. I'd suggest try a few out and see if you like them. They are only slightly slower off the mark than a manual, but once you're up and running they are the same as any other and in fact can be more pleasant to drive. In my defence, I have a manual track car so can satisfy all my left footed demons there! But no matter what, both the 964 and 993 are amazing cars to drive. Good luck!! LeeM and Merv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 3January, 2021 Report Share Posted 3January, 2021 1 hour ago, icu_jimmy said: I've heard lots of people cast aspersions on the tipper and would guarantee 95%+ have never driven one. Guilty! 🙋♂️ Then I drove a 996 tip 👍👍👍 Peter M, Fishcop, Troubleshooter and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 4January, 2021 Report Share Posted 4January, 2021 On 02/01/2021 at 20:08, Dutch68 said: Early days but researching the option of purchasing an auto 964/993 and convert to manual. Not sure if the project will be too expensive and best to purchase a manual...there just seems to be more autos available at reasonable money and manuals hitting big $$. This will be a keeper so not too concerned about the originality. Will run the options past Autohaus Hamilton and Buchanan however thought the forum may have some insight to assist. Apologies if this has been discussed before. I hope you do take on the conversion. The internet is littered with everyone (including me) saying it's too expensive or too hard. You could be the pioneer to show us it can be done and it isn't that expensive! I really hope you do it. Carrera28 and michel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted 4January, 2021 Report Share Posted 4January, 2021 The Tiptronic box is like the popular G50 manual box. Porsche bought both from Mercedes for their strength and durability. There are a variety of software mods now available for the Tiptronic boxes http://www.evoms.com/product_p/996tt-tcu.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 4January, 2021 Report Share Posted 4January, 2021 Following mikes sentiments , just do it, if you can assemble all the parts required. I also remember??? a 993 for sale and possibly was someone on here 3 years back? That had a tranny -tippie/man- swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOKA Posted 4January, 2021 Report Share Posted 4January, 2021 24 minutes ago, michel said: Following mikes sentiments , just do it, if you can assemble all the parts required. I also remember??? a 993 for sale and possibly was someone on here 3 years back? That had a tranny -tippie/man- swap. Yep - a really nice car from HK or SG..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB997.2GTS Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 LA Dismantlers will sell you a conversion kit, gearbox, drive shafts, starter, linkages, clutch pedal etc $US18k, I am tempted to convert mine but will wait and see how it performs when its back on the road after it’s restoration. I have seen 3 x 993 wrecks (all manuals) come up at auction in the US, all have sold around $US28k brian in buddina, Philbee and firstone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch68 Posted 5January, 2021 Author Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 Thanks all. Yes the key will be sourcing the parts. I shall continue to research armed with with knowledge from the forum. Will also check out the software mods for the Tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 I think PRT in Sydney have done the swap a few times. ps. Tippers can be cool, but you have to own it... https://zoll.haus/z22-1990-964-coupe-kid-hauler-daily-driver-aka-dadtronic/ Pps. I never found any tip software upgrades for cars earlier than 996. edgy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 3 hours ago, WOKA said: Yep - a really nice car from HK or SG..? That’s the one ex HK CAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 4 hours ago, michel said: also remember??? a 993 for sale and possibly was someone on here 3 years back? That had a tranny -tippie/man- swap. I believe you're thinking of Ross's Silver 993 ex HK? If so, I was very close to buying that car, really nice example... even with the cheaper HK labour rates, it was obscene money back then, and I think he lucked out on buying the gearbox well from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 7 minutes ago, edgy said: I believe you're thinking of Ross's Silver 993 ex HK? If so, I was very close to buying that car, really nice example... even with the cheaper HK labour rates, it was obscene money back then, and I think he lucked out on buying the gearbox well from memory. This is the one ... was /is very tasty edgy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 5January, 2021 Report Share Posted 5January, 2021 6 hours ago, OBRUT said: Tippers can be cool, but you have to own it... Spot on! If you set out with a closed mind and an intention to hate it, you will! Doubly so if you worry about what your mates think or the size of your dick. Change the filter, flush with Castrol Transmax Z and take the time to learn how to use it, including throttle blipping on downshifts if you wish. They are wonderful in a 90's technology way. They are definitely not slush boxes due to the early lockup but with only 4 ratios covering a speed range of about 260kph they are certainly not close ratio and it takes some effort to keep the engine on the boil in the twisties. The ZF 4HP24 is reliable, well known and found in many other cars from Range Rovers, Jaguars to BMW's of the era. Howver the Porsche programming is a bit special. Knowing 993's start in 2nd unless you do certain things is one of the first tips for the newbies. Have my 4HP2X cars been any less enjoyable than my 915/G50 cars? No. And certainly have never been left behind on SMT's. Combined I've probably driven my Tipper/J Gate cars twice as far as my manuals. (However I do drive a manual work car daily so not unpracticed with 3 pedals and do enjoy a perfectly executed heel and toe.) So yeah, mark me down as an agnostic when it comes to transmissions. pocketscience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted 7January, 2021 Report Share Posted 7January, 2021 Fully agree. This Mercedes (etc) 'box can be tweaked cheaply to start in first gear with a simple switch added. I did this on my 1990 24-valve Merc. There are also software mods for the Tip change/sharpen shift points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketscience Posted 22January, 2021 Report Share Posted 22January, 2021 Throttle blipping on downshift with the tipper is key - once I discovered that (after reading Vic Elford's book) - I loved my 993 tipper even more! I manually drop into first for starts so need to research the "certain things" Peter mentions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason E Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 On 22/01/2021 at 11:02, pocketscience said: Throttle blipping on downshift with the tipper is key - once I discovered that (after reading Vic Elford's book) - I loved my 993 tipper even more! I manually drop into first for starts so need to research the "certain things" Peter mentions... I've just bought a copy of Vic Elfords book, looking forward to reading the updated version. Perhaps it will make me a better tipper driver too............I need all the help I can get.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 7 hours ago, Jason E said: I've just bought a copy of Vic Elfords book, looking forward to reading the updated version. Perhaps it will make me a better tipper driver too............I need all the help I can get.......... Vic got the only win for the Sportomatic too - Marathon de la Route, Nürburgring 1967 so he knows his 'non-manual' gearboxes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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