996 values coupe/cab manual/tip

[LeeM]

8 hours ago, CapnHyaku said:

996.1 C2 Manual Coupe with 150K sold for $60K!  The Gen 1's are clearly beyond the $50K mark now (they were there for the past 3 years in my experience).

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-911-2000/sse-ad-6712852/?utm_campaign=sold-alert&utm_source=notification-centre&utm_medium=email&csn_atid=9f3b0713-80c8-4ea6-9ea6-72b36ca271cd

 I reckon that car was around $45-48k a while ago. Owner wouldn't allow test drives etc.

[blue_ixxi]

16 hours ago, AndrewM said:

There was a 2003/4 996.2 C2 for sale in South Australia about 2 months ago for $62,500 (without IMS) with approximately 42,000km which was sold within a day, and appeared a week later in Victoria for $89,000 (with IMS). The price was then dropped to $84,000 and is now no longer listed, assume it was sold, but no idea for how much.
 

If not for Covid I would have put a deposit on it and flown down to SA from NSW to look at it. It looked like a really nice car, 

Well I am in NSW as well and I was the first person to call the seller within minutes of the car listing. This was around 9 PM at night. I told him I would like to get the car inspected, but offered him a deposit to pull the car from CS.

He asked me to arrange the inspection in the morning, which I did first thing in the morning. I called him and told him that I was willing to pay the deposit, but he would have to drop the car off at nearby Porsche specialist for a PPI. Offered him deposit again, but he was under the impression that it would take a day for the money to come through.

Meanwhile he had gotten a few interested parties. One of them was local who wanted to inspect the car and they had already spoken on the phone and arranged a time to meet. He assured me that he had sold a few cars in his life, and none had ever sold in the first inspection. I knew if the car was genuine, first to see it would buy it, so I offered to buy it sight unseen.

He wouldn't take it. Told me that I was first in the queue and that even if the local party made him an offer, he would call me first and let me have a fair go first.

He called me once when the local buyer was running late to tell me he was still waiting for them, which was odd. He again repeated that I was first in the queue and that he would call me after meeting the local buyer.

And then crickets for a few hours. Called him, and he said he sold the car as the buyer gave him the amount in full and didn't even hassle him with a PPI 🤷

I was so sour but I didn't say anything to him. When I saw the car getting flipped on CS a month later, I texted the link to him saying "wish you had sold it to me, I would have enjoyed driving it, not flipping for $$". No response from him of course.

I doubt the seller would have waited for you to get there in person, so don't harbour any regrets.

I also reached out the re-seller on CS. He was willing to take low 70s-75K. I asked him how long he had the car for, and he said roughly 9 months, which was clearly a lie as it was the same car (checked through VIN). That put me off as I didn't want to deal with a liar.

[AndrewM]

1 hour ago, blue_ixxi said:

I was so sour but I didn't say anything to him. When I saw the car getting flipped on CS a month later, I texted the link to him saying "wish you had sold it to me, I would have enjoyed driving it, not flipping for $$". No response from him of course.

This is exactly how I felt about it as well. Was a bit disappointed when I saw that it was gone, but was happy with the idea that someone would enjoy driving it. When I saw it re-listed 4 weeks later, was super annoyed that it went to a scalper.

What I found weird was that it looked like the seller had somehow managed to get a 9 month registration on the car...

Oh well. I hope whoever bought it is enjoying it! 

[Dreamr]

1 hour ago, blue_ixxi said:

I also reached out the re-seller on CS. He was willing to take low 70s-75K. I asked him how long he had the car for, and he said roughly 9 months, which was clearly a lie as it was the same car (checked through VIN). That put me off as I didn't want to deal with a liar.

Genuine question ....

If the seller had of told you he's a flipper and had owned the car for a week, would that have made a difference to you? ... would you have been interested in buying it then??

[blue_ixxi]

21 minutes ago, Dreamr said:

Genuine question ....

If the seller had of told you he's a flipper and had owned the car for a week, would that have made a difference to you? ... would you have been interested in buying it then??

Short answer, yes

Long answer - since the new owner had done IMS bearing and a recent service (say ~$2.5K), at $72K, a $5-7K premium on that car in that condition and that low KMs was still a great deal. But I was put off with dealing with a seller who was blatantly lying, which is why I didn't even make an offer. Buying a Porsche for me is as much about the car as it is about the seller.

[LeeM]

 That's some people in general though isn't it? You don't know them, and they don't know you, especially interstaters, so maybe trust was an issue. Shouldn't have kept you hanging though.

 If you're selling a car and an interstater (or a local) wants a PPI done, then thats at least a day off from work to drop it off and pick it up when its convenient. Then once that's done and a buyer has paid the money in full (if its legit), you have to have it collected or dropped off at a depot.

Personally, I don't have any spare time during the week to take a day or two off if I was selling, so I'd also prefer to sell to a local who can view it which I would mention over the phone.

 In these times of scammers being so prolific, maybe ol mate got scared? Pretty sure I would if someone offered full asking price over the phone. All in all, even though you might be a trustworthy bloke, others aren't, and people like me would much prefer to deal with others face to face because of trust issues.

[firstone]

I had a good line on another brand a few years ago. I offered to bring a bank cheque inspect the car and be on my way after he banked it.

He initially agreed then went silent. A few months later he contacted me again asking if I was still interested. He said he fell silent because he thought i was a scammer. 

[CapnHyaku]

59 minutes ago, firstone said:

I had a good line on another brand a few years ago. I offered to bring a bank cheque inspect the car and be on my way after he banked it.

He initially agreed then went silent. A few months later he contacted me again asking if I was still interested. He said he fell silent because he thought i was a scammer. 

I have bought and sold cars in the past year.  Both times I insisted we go to a bank and complete the transfer or whatever they want to do right there at the bank.  Then the rego slip is signed and the deal is done.

I think it is the best way, there are camera's everywhere and ID's are checked considering the sums involved.  Any scammer will get cold feet I think.

Obviously this only works in person and on a weekday.

[michel]

if a seller, had ready a fresh PPI from a known respected P Indy, to assist in simple efficient sale; would real motivated buyers local or not be prepared too pay for the chance to look at PPI and discuss issues with seller and or mechanic?

 

3 minutes ago, CapnHyaku said:

I have bought and sold cars in the past year.  Both times I insisted we go to a bank and complete the transfer or whatever they want to do right there at the bank.  Then the rego slip is signed and the deal is done.

I think it is the best way, there are camera's everywhere and ID's are checked considering the sums involved.  Any scammer will get cold feet I think.

Obviously this only works in person and on a weekday.

How I bought one car this year. and without PPI

most recent purchase no PPI and a cpl of transfers to interstate seller prior to Collection

 

 

[LeeM]

35 minutes ago, CapnHyaku said:

I have bought and sold cars in the past year.  Both times I insisted we go to a bank and complete the transfer or whatever they want to do right there at the bank.  Then the rego slip is signed and the deal is done.

I think it is the best way, there are camera's everywhere and ID's are checked considering the sums involved.  Any scammer will get cold feet I think.

Obviously this only works in person and on a weekday.

 Again, that's the potential problem when dealing with sellers. 

 Maybe they just don't have the time others seem to have in abundance, and it's put in the too hard basket. I absolutely despise selling anything, as there are always f...wits wanting to waste my time by not rolling up at the agreed time, or they do, and they want it for half price because they can buy another one for less... It happened very recently when I was selling an unboxed new circular saw for $100 (retail $359). "Will I get a warranty? Do you have the receipt? If I don't like it will you return my money? Will you take $70 for it?" I'm not Crime Converters mate, buy it or don't I really don't care. People give me the shits, and car people are probably the worst to deal with.

 In my experience of selling everything from cars to guitars, buyers are the BIGGEST pain in the arse to deal with, as they always want something for nothing and on their terms. Sellers can also be the same when they 'Know what I have' or whatever, so I just put it down to humans being humans...untrustworthy at the best of times.

 And on that note, my rant is done 👍😁

[tomo]

I hear ya @LeeM  

[TINGY]

1 hour ago, LeeM said:

 Again, that's the potential problem when dealing with sellers. 

 Maybe they just don't have the time others seem to have in abundance, and it's put in the too hard basket. I absolutely despise selling anything, as there are always f...wits wanting to waste my time by not rolling up at the agreed time, or they do, and they want it for half price because they can buy another one for less... It happened very recently when I was selling an unboxed new circular saw for $100 (retail $359). "Will I get a warranty? Do you have the receipt? If I don't like it will you return my money? Will you take $70 for it?" I'm not Crime Converters mate, buy it or don't I really don't care. People give me the shits, and car people are probably the worst to deal with.

 In my experience of selling everything from cars to guitars, buyers are the BIGGEST pain in the arse to deal with, as they always want something for nothing and on their terms. Sellers can also be the same when they 'Know what I have' or whatever, so I just put it down to humans being humans...untrustworthy at the best of times.

 And on that note, my rant is done 👍😁

This is me as well, I am thinking of selling my 996.2 and for all the reasons above I can't be arsed dealing with it. I work long hours and don't get enough time to deal with all the stupid low ballers. I think I will just keep it unless someone contacts me through PFA.

[michel]

14 minutes ago, TINGY996 said:

This is me as well, I am thinking of selling my 996.2 and for all the reasons above I can't be arsed dealing with it. I work long hours and don't get enough time to deal with all the stupid low ballers. I think I will just keep it unless someone contacts me through PFA.

Okay I’ll officially low ball you. 

[TINGY]

26 minutes ago, michel said:

Okay I’ll officially low ball you. 

That's not a surprise to me mate

[Dreamr]

1 hour ago, TINGY996 said:

This is me as well, I am thinking of selling my 996.2 and for all the reasons above I can't be arsed dealing with it. I work long hours and don't get enough time to deal with all the stupid low ballers. I think I will just keep it unless someone contacts me through PFA.

How about you get arsed and put up a "For Sale" post then ... much easier to be contacted through PFA if people know it's for sale ... 😎

[CapnHyaku]

Should I feel bad that I already want to buy a second one?

[michel]

4 hours ago, TINGY996 said:

That's not a surprise to me mate

Typically Non binary; however more than happy to play within and stretch the parameters defining  an assigned role , more so , if it can enrich, provoke, provide mirth or simply confirm /contradict an entrenched belief .. 😊

 

 

 

[luzzo]

13 minutes ago, michel said:

Typically Non binary; however more than happy to play within and stretch the parameters defining  an assigned role , more so , if it can enrich, provoke, provide mirth or simply confirm /contradict an entrenched belief .. 😊

 

Exactly what I was thinking.   

[blue_ixxi]

10 hours ago, LeeM said:

 That's some people in general though isn't it? You don't know them, and they don't know you, especially interstaters, so maybe trust was an issue. Shouldn't have kept you hanging though.

 If you're selling a car and an interstater (or a local) wants a PPI done, then thats at least a day off from work to drop it off and pick it up when its convenient. Then once that's done and a buyer has paid the money in full (if its legit), you have to have it collected or dropped off at a depot.

Personally, I don't have any spare time during the week to take a day or two off if I was selling, so I'd also prefer to sell to a local who can view it which I would mention over the phone.

 In these times of scammers being so prolific, maybe ol mate got scared? Pretty sure I would if someone offered full asking price over the phone. All in all, even though you might be a trustworthy bloke, others aren't, and people like me would much prefer to deal with others face to face because of trust issues.

Yeah I hear you and mostly agree with you. The seller could have just said he would like to deal with the local buyer first instead of making me promises of having the first shot at the offer because I was first in the queue etc. Thats what left a sour taste for me, which was compounded when I saw the car pop for up resale a month later

[Spets87]

Has this car been mentioned before? 

 

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wentworth-falls/cars-vans-utes/1998-porsche-911-carrera-6-sp-manual-2d-coupe/1258306541

[LeeM]

 I don't mind that. Even the interior 

[michel]

8 hours ago, Spets87 said:

Has this car been mentioned before? 

 

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wentworth-falls/cars-vans-utes/1998-porsche-911-carrera-6-sp-manual-2d-coupe/1258306541

Come up for sale now at least twice. 
 

Yes the interior is quite dynamic @LeeM 

 

Q. Is the steering wheel a  SAAS homage ? 

[tomo]

You would hope he has the air bag wheel for rego or add a couple o k to the price.

 

[LeeM]

1 hour ago, michel said:

 

Q. Is the steering wheel a  SAAS homage ? 

 Probably a quality $45 Saanchong from ebay

[CapnHyaku]

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-911-2004/sse-ad-6388998/?utm_campaign=hold-alert&utm_source=notification-centre&utm_medium=email&csn_atid=408a9c14-72b7-46ab-9ecc-5232fefe5613

It's gone on "hold" and now a $1.5K price drop.

Looks like it's on last call while someone is sorting out finance, is my guess.

In other news...

Today also the 996.1 C4 moved for ~$60K and the 996.2 C2 moved for about the same.