cafe_racer Posted 28January, 2023 Report Share Posted 28January, 2023 57 minutes ago, JLD said: I don't have a problem with flippers either. I hate when brands only seem to sell to flippers, so the only way to get something is to pay an over-inflated price to a flipper. This is the watch world right now, and I choose not to participate. I hope they get stuck with lots of stock they can't move because the market is going to shit Not to turn this into a watch chat. But I messaged a few of them who had a specific item I wanted offering them RRP. They were mostly rude saying if I want one at rrp to get one at a store. One messaged a couple of weeks ago offering me the watch for rrp. I told them to return it to a store for a refund if they want rrp for it. Long story short. I hate flippers. JLD, sleazius, P-Kay and 6 others 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 28January, 2023 Report Share Posted 28January, 2023 5 minutes ago, cafe_racer said: One messaged a couple of weeks ago offering me the watch for rrp. I told them to return it to a store for a refund if they want rrp Brilliant 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 28January, 2023 Report Share Posted 28January, 2023 My crystal ball reading………. Within the next 3-6 months 992 GT3’s will be in the low to mid 5’s, maybe even start to see high 4’s as people get serious about selling (just a fishing exercise at the moment, can’t see any moving & the pool is only getting bigger). 991’s will then come back in-line with their pre covid prices, 991.1 RS circa low to mid 300k & 991.2 RS low to mid 400’s. This could influence the 996/997 GT3 market although I’d argue it’s a different market/buyer. It’s an interesting time, be curious to see how many “allocations” are followed through for new RS products as well and what impact that has on the used market. sjm, edgy, tomk86 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 28January, 2023 Author Report Share Posted 28January, 2023 10 minutes ago, hugh said: My crystal ball reading………. Within the next 3-6 months 992 GT3’s will be in the low to mid 5’s, maybe even start to see high 4’s as people get serious about selling (just a fishing exercise at the moment, can’t see any moving & the pool is only getting bigger). 991’s will then come back in-line with their pre covid prices, 991.1 RS circa low to mid 300k & 991.2 RS low to mid 400’s. This could influence the 996/997 GT3 market although I’d argue it’s a different market/buyer. It’s an interesting time, be curious to see how many “allocations” are followed through for new RS products as well and what impact that has on the used market. I think your about right . hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 I hope you’re right @hugh I’d love to add a 991.1 for the right $$$ hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirthO Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 16 hours ago, hugh said: My crystal ball reading………. Within the next 3-6 months 992 GT3’s will be in the low to mid 5’s, maybe even start to see high 4’s as people get serious about selling (just a fishing exercise at the moment, can’t see any moving & the pool is only getting bigger). 991’s will then come back in-line with their pre covid prices, 991.1 RS circa low to mid 300k & 991.2 RS low to mid 400’s. This could influence the 996/997 GT3 market although I’d argue it’s a different market/buyer. It’s an interesting time, be curious to see how many “allocations” are followed through for new RS products as well and what impact that has on the used market. Surprised this hasn't sold at the asking price already. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-rs-982-auto-my23/SSE-AD-14305724/?Cr=0 I know it's not a GT3, but it gives an indication the market probably isn't keen on paying much more then RRP. There are lots of 992 GT3 for sale and I haven't seen one sell in a long time! hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 29January, 2023 Author Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 54 minutes ago, wirthO said: Surprised this hasn't sold at the asking price already. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-rs-982-auto-my23/SSE-AD-14305724/?Cr=0 I know it's not a GT3, but it gives an indication the market probably isn't keen on paying much more then RRP. There are lots of 992 GT3 for sale and I haven't seen one sell in a long time! How much is that RRP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirthO Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 1 hour ago, wilson59 said: How much is that RRP? Around $390-400k drive away DJM and wilson59 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joz Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 4 hours ago, wirthO said: Around $390-400k drive away So not only are they asking approximately $60k over RRP, there is also stamp duty on top still which comes in at approximately $44k. So you’d be paying about $100k/20% above dealer price 😬 You'd want it really badly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 On 27/01/2023 at 19:51, sleazius said: I know a few people in the market for a 992, none of them are above 500k. I have to correct this statement. I asked the 3 people involved, one got an allocation for a GT4 RS, one won't pay above list (and is waiting to see what happens over the next year) and the 3rd (being me) has opted for something else. So no-one in the market then JWM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS 3 Posted 29January, 2023 Report Share Posted 29January, 2023 The 992 GT3 is an amazing car, I still pinch myself when I head out for a drive. Definitely worth the wait. I too know a few people interested in buying one so the underlying fundamentals are solid as expected. A Cayman GT4RS would be a great car and an easier to buy new. GT3 Flippers cars (current market) will sell. Wether this influences future value is anyone’s guess. More interestingly know one is prepared to offer up their 991.2 3 or 3RS atm maybe these will dictate where the market goes as they come back to market. DJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 30January, 2023 Report Share Posted 30January, 2023 12 hours ago, SS 3 said: The 992 GT3 is an amazing car, I still pinch myself when I head out for a drive. Definitely worth the wait. I think he agrees SS 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 30January, 2023 Author Report Share Posted 30January, 2023 I like that guy but I am three gins in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 30January, 2023 Report Share Posted 30January, 2023 Unrelated but the way the UK youtubers use finance to generate content by buying cars they can't afford is scary asf to me. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys go up in flames if the market does a big correction. DJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrera28 Posted 30January, 2023 Report Share Posted 30January, 2023 59 minutes ago, sleazius said: Unrelated but the way the UK youtubers use finance to generate content by buying cars they can't afford is scary asf to me. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys go up in flames if the market does a big correction. I agree, but in this case Seen Through Glass is fronted by Sam Michael David Fane who is the son of the heir presumptive to the Earl of Westmorland so I suspect he will be all right 😄😉😎 TwoHeadsTas and DJM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 30January, 2023 Report Share Posted 30January, 2023 1 hour ago, sleazius said: Unrelated but the way the UK youtubers use finance to generate content by buying cars they can't afford is scary asf to me. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys go up in flames if the market does a big correction. With YouTube now making it a lot harder for them to make money, I'm sure half of these 'influencers' will end up selling their toys. They might have to get an actual job! Shock, horror Carrera28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 1February, 2023 Report Share Posted 1February, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 07:01, LeeM said: With YouTube now making it a lot harder for them to make money, I'm sure half of these 'influencers' will end up selling their toys. They might have to get an actual job! Shock, horror I know YouTubers in the US make a much better CPM than the UK or us here. I am guessing that someone like STG would probably make around AU$120-150k or so per year from YouTube alone, but there would be a lot of other sponsorship deals that would put more money in his pocket. It must be a tough gig for those YouTubers whose whole brand is to keep buying the next big car. Particularly if they are now going to go back to the typical depreciation of what supercars have typically been. It will be very interesting how many will survive moving forward. LeeM, Joz and DJM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 1February, 2023 Report Share Posted 1February, 2023 @MFX I saw a video or something about YouTube making it harder for 'influencers' (🙄) to make money from it, but I've no clue what, who, where etc. At least you have a normal job to pay for the toys mate...if you can call being a firey job as being a 'normal' occupation 😁 MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 1February, 2023 Report Share Posted 1February, 2023 On 01/02/2023 at 21:36, MFX said: I know YouTubers in the US make a much better CPM than the UK or us here. I am guessing that someone like STG would probably make around AU$120-150k or so per year from YouTube alone, but there would be a lot of other sponsorship deals that would put more money in his pocket. It must be a tough gig for those YouTubers whose whole brand is to keep buying the next big car. Particularly if they are now going to go back to the typical depreciation of what supercars have typically been. It will be very interesting how many will survive moving forward. Feels like that content has slowed…….or maybe I just refuse to watch that shit so it is no longer recommended for me. For a period it felt like all I was seeing was the multi video repertoire of “new car collection day, should I wrap it, I changed the exhaust, financing costs, should I sell it” from the young UK vloggers. no idea how the system works and how they generate money but I’m not surprised that things are changing. It was maddening, surely no one cares for that crap….. MFX, P-Kay and LeeM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 1February, 2023 Report Share Posted 1February, 2023 Hooray for @DJM! 👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafe_racer Posted 1February, 2023 Report Share Posted 1February, 2023 1 hour ago, DJM said: Feels like that content has slowed…….or maybe I just refuse to watch that shit so it is no longer recommended for me. For a period it felt like all I was seeing was the multi video repertoire of “new car collection day, should I wrap it, I changed the exhaust, financing costs, should I sell it” from the young UK vloggers. no idea how the system works and how they generate money but I’m not surprised that hints are changing. It was maddening, surely no one cares for that crap….. They all seemed to use “magnitude finance” who must have been friendly to how they operate. Now cars have shit the bed a bit am sure debts will be due and cars sold. Soon to be followed by lots of “why is sold my…” videos. DJM, Joz and MFX 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 2February, 2023 Report Share Posted 2February, 2023 15 hours ago, MFX said: I know YouTubers in the US make a much better CPM than the UK or us here. I am guessing that someone like STG would probably make around AU$120-150k or so per year from YouTube alone, but there would be a lot of other sponsorship deals that would put more money in his pocket. It must be a tough gig for those YouTubers whose whole brand is to keep buying the next big car. Particularly if they are now going to go back to the typical depreciation of what supercars have typically been. It will be very interesting how many will survive moving forward. JayEmm did a great video on this just recently. DJM and sjm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurK Posted 2February, 2023 Report Share Posted 2February, 2023 1 hour ago, sleazius said: JayEmm did a great video on this just recently. JayEmm put the final nail in my McLaren dreams sleazius and DJM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGTS20 Posted 9February, 2023 Report Share Posted 9February, 2023 not too far away 😍 looking forward to the count down over the next few months .. thats me sorted for a little while. sleazius, tomk86 and wilson59 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson59 Posted 15February, 2023 Author Report Share Posted 15February, 2023 Numbers on these? This guy is claiming 600 I suspect that is not correct ? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2021-porsche-911-gt3-992-auto-my22/SSE-AD-14502101/?Cr=0>s=SSE-AD-14502101>sSaleId=SSE-AD-14502101>sViewType=showcase&rankingType=showcase wirthO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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