symsy Posted 4February, 2017 Report Share Posted 4February, 2017 Same Same but different, especially in the traffic or the Sunday SMT. Buy a C4 and get started on a 2wd hotrod with the change.. I think the discussion would become mute clutch-monkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 4February, 2017 Report Share Posted 4February, 2017 It would lose out at the bank, by the tune of many thousands of dollars. Resale doesn't come into the equation in this example of your musings? Or I simply misunderstand, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 4February, 2017 Report Share Posted 4February, 2017 Resale doesn't come into the equation in this example of your musings? Or I simply misunderstand, sorry.I am not sure what you are saying. My comment was meant to imply that that the c2 is significantly more expensive (so it loses out at the bank). Resale doesn't come into it. They should both move by the same % and it seems to me that there seems little evidence to suggest that the C4's don't appreciate by the same percentage as C2's. Maybe they are a little harder to sell, but surely that is simply a function of price. Like any car, if you buy at the right price and when the time comes, price it to sell accordingly, resale shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLD Posted 5February, 2017 Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 Both the C2 and C4 are awesome 911's, there's no wrong choice. Having owned both, at the same time, I'd simply say both can be significantly transformed with decent upgrades to suspension, motor mounts, LWF/RS clutch etc. When buying, as with any 911, the determining factors for a 964 should/will be condition, availability and the big one... affordability!The problem with the last word is that it doesn't pertain to 964s anymore itsujack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 5February, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 The problem with the last word is that it doesn't pertain to any 911 anymore^ fixed it for you JLD and SimonN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 5February, 2017 Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 I am not sure what you are saying. My comment was meant to imply that that the c2 is significantly more expensive (so it loses out at the bank). Resale doesn't come into it. They should both move by the same % and it seems to me that there seems little evidence to suggest that the C4's don't appreciate by the same percentage as C2's. Maybe they are a little harder to sell, but surely that is simply a function of price. Like any car, if you buy at the right price and when the time comes, price it to sell accordingly, resale shouldn't be an issue.I don't understand the "loses at the bank" comment if you're implying they both appreciate at the same rate. If it's simply about bang for buck then a $5k MX-5 is where you're at.Wasn't the C4 more expensive new? So, there goes that argument.Not sure that there was much, if any, difference in C2 or C4 prices up until 3-4 years ago was there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLD Posted 5February, 2017 Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 ^ fixed it for youThanks, but I probably could have finished the sentence off with 'unless it's made by Tamiya' itsujack and Carrera28 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 5February, 2017 Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 I don't understand the "loses at the bank" comment if you're implying they both appreciate at the same rate. If it's simply about bang for buck then a $5k MX-5 is where you're at.Wasn't the C4 more expensive new? So, there goes that argument.Not sure that there was much, if any, difference in C2 or C4 prices up until 3-4 years ago was there? Sorry, clearly i am not making this very clear. It looks to me like at the moment, a C4 is something like $30-40k cheaper than a C2. So if I buy the C2, my bank account will $30-40k worse off. It is irrelevant what a C4 cost new. All that matters is what it costs now. i also think it is irrelevant what they were worth 3-4 years ago, although my memory suggests there was a premium for C2's then. What matter is what they cost now, and how that price changes going forward. And it seems fairly simple to me. Your bank account will have less in it if you buy a C2 today. My crystal ball, which is often faulty also says that the C4 and C2 prices will move about the same amount bin percentage terms because I think the premium is now set. There is a slight chance that the C4 might always sell at a discount of, say, $30-40k and therefore might be seen to appreciate slightly better, but I suspect from an "investment" viewpoint, the 2 will be pretty equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 5February, 2017 Report Share Posted 5February, 2017 Sorry, clearly i am not making this very clear. It looks to me like at the moment, a C4 is something like $30-40k cheaper than a C2. So if I buy the C2, my bank account will $30-40k worse off. It is irrelevant what a C4 cost new. All that matters is what it costs now. i also think it is irrelevant what they were worth 3-4 years ago, although my memory suggests there was a premium for C2's then. What matter is what they cost now, and how that price changes going forward. And it seems fairly simple to me. Your bank account will have less in it if you buy a C2 today. My crystal ball, which is often faulty also says that the C4 and C2 prices will move about the same amount bin percentage terms because I think the premium is now set. There is a slight chance that the C4 might always sell at a discount of, say, $30-40k and therefore might be seen to appreciate slightly better, but I suspect from an "investment" viewpoint, the 2 will be pretty equal.Your understanding of the time value of money is obviously different to mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 6February, 2017 Report Share Posted 6February, 2017 Your understanding of the time value of money is obviously different to mine.Please explain, because clearly I am missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 6February, 2017 Report Share Posted 6February, 2017 Please explain, because clearly I am missing something. It's not you, it's me. Mike D'Silva, ANF and michel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 6February, 2017 Report Share Posted 6February, 2017 It's not you, it's me. ???????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 6February, 2017 Report Share Posted 6February, 2017 ????????????????Time to let it go I think.... michel, ANF and KGB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegums Posted 8February, 2017 Report Share Posted 8February, 2017 Whilst I was at the mechanic's today, he showed me a customer's dark blue original 964RS with 44,000kms. Absolutely breathtaking condition. Took some photos as I'll probably never see one again.Not knowing the history etc, what would that be worth prima facie? turboT and KGB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 8February, 2017 Report Share Posted 8February, 2017 Whilst I was at the mechanic's today, he showed me a customer's dark blue original 964RS with 44,000kms. Absolutely breathtaking condition. Took some photos as I'll probably never see one again.Not knowing the history etc, what would that be worth prima facie?come in spinner ( @SimonN ) sandy468 and Mike D'Silva 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 8February, 2017 Report Share Posted 8February, 2017 Whilst I was at the mechanic's today, he showed me a customer's dark blue original 964RS with 44,000kms. Absolutely breathtaking condition. Took some photos as I'll probably never see one again.Not knowing the history etc, what would that be worth prima facie?Without more info, its hard to know. i thought only 1 dark blue car was Oz delivered and the one I know is owned by Ben in Sydney. It could be an import, maybe one of the 2 cars believed to have come from NZ or the car rumoured to have come from Japan. It is unlikely to be a UK car, because of the speedo being in km's. Assuming it's Oz delivered and got its history and still has all the right bits, such as original bonnet with sticker that has the chassis number, correct seats etc, with that mileage, 8-9 months ago it was probably worth up to $600k. Since then, while the market values in the UK and Europe have stayed strong for quality cars, maybe even gone up a little, but the currency movements have confused the picture. Back then a GBP 225,000 car equalled about $450,000 then, while now its "only" $370k . So far, imports have mirrored UK prices, but with so few cars changing hands, the question is whether the values have dropped back because of the currency and if so, only for imports or for Oz delivered cars as well?My guess would be that you are looking at something between $500k and $600k if it is Oz delivered and between $350k and $400k if it is an import.Did you see underneath and the suspension/brakes. How did they look? Please post some photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted 10February, 2017 Report Share Posted 10February, 2017 Whilst it was an international sale (so perhaps should be in the other thread), the price at auction for this 964 Turbo S was an eye watering 901K Euro...http://www.rmsothebys.com/pa17/paris/lots/1994-porsche-911-turbo-s-36/1701775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted 11February, 2017 Report Share Posted 11February, 2017 Another one gone. poli84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 11February, 2017 Report Share Posted 11February, 2017 I'm waiting for our resident guru to chime in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 11February, 2017 Report Share Posted 11February, 2017 I'm waiting for our resident guru to chime in... I'm not. Mike D'Silva 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 13February, 2017 Report Share Posted 13February, 2017 Upper end of the spectrum for an ex-UK C4, looks tidy from what can be seen in the plethora of pics... micknine01, JV911, Fraz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 13February, 2017 Report Share Posted 13February, 2017 Upper end of the spectrum for an ex-UK C4, looks tidy from what can be seen in the plethora of pics...I've ran out of "likes" but I like............a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 13February, 2017 Report Share Posted 13February, 2017 Upper end of the spectrum for an ex-UK C4, looks tidy from what can be seen in the plethora of pics...Great looking car with a very ambitious asking price (for a dirty UK import!). Isn't that Oz delivered car money? Will the special additions outweigh the market prejudices against imports? I hope it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k0nz Posted 14February, 2017 Report Share Posted 14February, 2017 Very tastefully modded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 14February, 2017 Report Share Posted 14February, 2017 Great looking car!I am wondering if it's the same car I looked at here in Qld a couple years ago (or more). It was for sale at Ormeau... I saved the images from the advert... It had just been resprayed by a gold coast hot rod shop, but had some bubbling in the rear quarter... it was listed for $50k... looked really really good apart from the bubbling. And also was an ex UK car.. but he said he bought it from Perth... micknine01 and poli84 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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