johnno Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 Guys, AS1698 is a motorcycle helmet standard and is acceptable for CAMS club events, if you can borrow one for this event that's sweet.If you are going to buy yourself a helmet for car events the latest standard to go for IMO is SA2015, buy one which incorporates the HANS posts it will stay compliant for longer. Do some online searching the SA2015 helmets appear to be available for not much more than bike helmets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 Peter Stevens in Elizabeth Street , probably best priced helmets in Melb…motorcycle , I looked last time they were there for general openface for a car/bike.Also these are well priced for what they are or the ones withoutthe Mic. I think these guys are in Melbourne.http://www.dtgraceproducts.com.au/rally.htmlI have a full face but on many levels open is much more comfortable , better vision and better for tuition and better for tuition interaction for normal wear .Hans is also probably overkill, safety levels is a personal choice, but remember you hit far far less if anything at tracks .. you have more chance of a neck injury on the road , 100 fold.Trev I would love a loan .. saves me trying to fly down with all this shit .. TrevMcRev and BAFE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 I don't know about this "Hans is also probably overkill, safety levels is a personal choice, but remember you hit far far less if anything at tracks .. you have more chance of a neck injury on the road , 100 fold."For HANS to work you need a race seat/full harness set up, it isn't something to be fussed about for this sort of family driver training day. An abrupt stop (concrete wall) on the road or racetrack risks neck injury. Road cars have air bags to lessen impacts, race cars don't - 100 times risk seems a stretch - best drive within your means and don't impact immovable objects. Macca and BAFE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted 26January, 2017 Report Share Posted 26January, 2017 Also remember when purchasing a helmet, only closed face can be used for gokarts if you're looking for a multi purpose helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonk Posted 27January, 2017 Report Share Posted 27January, 2017 Ok, so from what I can gather, ECE22.05 is a European standard that has been recently approved for road use in most Australian states. Most helmets advertised at Peter Stevens for example are labelled ECE22.05, not AS1698. Snell and AS1698 are specifically approved by CAMS but there is no mention of ECE22.05. I have emailed Maserati Club (the club I have recently joined) to find out what their position is on ECE22.05 and waiting to hear back.Whilst I understand the Driver Dynamics crew aren't hung up on this, it would be prudent to buy one that is useful in the future for myself. I also don't want to spend a fortune and motor cycle helmets seem to be substantially cheaper than car specific ones. Mike-S and hugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno Posted 27January, 2017 Report Share Posted 27January, 2017 I did some Googling on ECE22.05 and found this interesting post about helmet standards https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2013/04/08/motorcycle-helmet-standards-explained-dot-ece-22-05-snell/Looking at the current CAMS regulations they list E22 (with 03, 04 or 05 amendments) as an accepted standard for club events right under AS1698 http://docs.cams.com.au/Regulations/Bulletins/2016 Bulletins/B16-007 Schedule D Helmet Standards.pdf I'm guessing E22 means ECE22. Let's know what Maserati Club have to say, otherwise I'm happy to query CAMS to clarify that reference so we can all know what the story is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted 29January, 2017 Report Share Posted 29January, 2017 If this helps anyone, I couldn't find my tow hook but found my old merc one (w203) and it fits both front and rear (same thread gauge)If anyone in the same boat with a 996/997/987/986 - the below is meant to be compatible; I also bought one of those funky fold down ones for $20 on ebay (JDM style) lol. BMW BMW all series.MINI MINI all series.Porsche 911 carrera 997 996 cayman boxstor 987 986Alfa Romeo 156 159 166 147 GT spider Rolls-Royce RR4 GhostBENZ W169 / W170 / W171 / W203 / W204 / W207 / W209 / W210 / SLK R171 W211 / W212 / W216 / W219 / W220 / W221 / W230 / W245 / W414 Coupe (CL203)2001–2008VW Caddy 2004~ EOS 2006~ GOLF MK5 2004~2009 GOLF MK6 2009~ GTISKADA Superb 5d Station Wagon 2008~Citroen C3VOLVO C30 2010~LEXUS GS300 2002~ LS300 IS250TOYOTA Previa 06~ YARIS Vitz Second generation 2006 2007 2008 2009 HatchbackSUZUKI SWIFT MarutiSMART Fortwo 2004Mitsubishi LANCER FORTIS 2007~ LANCER IO 2007~MAZDA MAZDA 2 MAZDA 6 (Atenza ) 2008~2012 MAZDA 3 2010~ ( For Madaz 6, fit both 1st and 2nd generation)AUDI A3 2004~ A4 B6 B7 B8 Q5 Q7 2009~ TT 1999~2006 TT 2007~ TTRS 2010~ RS3 2011~ Nissan Tidda 4D 5D Honda JAZZ FIT 2008~2012Infiniti Infiniti G37 G35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFE Posted 30January, 2017 Report Share Posted 30January, 2017 I think you'll find that the tow point while "good to have" is not a mandatory requirement from Driver Dynamics to have the hook attached to the car.Again this is a driver training day, not even PCV Entree Class and certainly not competitionIf it wasn't a PFA day you could rock up in your Camry and do some laps. Mate of mine did one in an AVIS commodore a few yeas ago... Another $0.10 T-Man and Macca 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted 30January, 2017 Report Share Posted 30January, 2017 (edited) Bugger - I was stressing when I couldn't the hook. Frantically googling gauge etc for a substitute; Good news regardless. Edited 30January, 2017 by Macca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno Posted 30January, 2017 Report Share Posted 30January, 2017 (edited) Don't stress about things, this is going to be a fun day. If you have a query, ask a question, plenty of people here to help with answers. Tow hooks are "good to have", if you wanted to run with one I bet someone could lend you one for the day.NINEAUTO have put the list from the prep night here if you want to check it out.Why have a tow hook? If you run off the track and get bogged in a sand trap the recovery people will pull you out. If they attach to a tow hook there is minimal risk of extra damage, that may not be the case if you are pulled out by the strap attached to some other steering / suspension point. Edited 30January, 2017 by johnno Why have a tow hook Macca, T-Man and hugh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 30January, 2017 Report Share Posted 30January, 2017 I think you'll find that the tow point while "good to have" is not a mandatory requirement from Driver Dynamics to have the hook attached to the car.Again this is a driver training day, not even PCV Entree Class and certainly not competitionIf it wasn't a PFA day you could rock up in your Camry and do some laps. Mate of mine did one in an AVIS commodore a few yeas ago... Another $0.10 How many times can I like this post? BAFE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonk Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Ok guys and girls, for those of you looking further ahead than just this track day, here's the response I received from CAMS regarding the ECE22.05 helmet standard.The standard you mention is indeed the same one as in the manual (ECE22.05 = E22). It is a standard from European manufacturers. I recommend that you look into a motorsport type helmet as listed as you may find in the future that this standard will no longer be sanctioned as CAMS moves to improve safety at the lower end of motorsports. There are now some reasonably in expensive helmets available now with the most recent Snell Sa 2015 standard which will be available well into the future. johnno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 HEY ONE AND ALL!Two new threads are now up seeking entries for our PFA on DISPLAY, as well as volunteers to help out on the day,so if you're not already committed on the day but would still like to be involved, you now have a couple of options...andKerry hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Don't stress about things, this is going to be a fun day. If you have a query, ask a question, plenty of people here to help with answers. Tow hooks are "good to have", if you wanted to run with one I bet someone could lend you one for the day.NINEAUTO have put the list from the prep night here if you want to check it out.Why have a tow hook? If you run off the track and get bogged in a sand trap the recovery people will pull you out. If they attach to a tow hook there is minimal risk of extra damage, that may not be the case if you are pulled out by the strap attached to some other steering / suspension point.Does anyone have start time end time , run sheet etc, just wanted to share with my visitors..and newbies?Are we also catering? Or is it BYO?Thanks looking forward to seeing those smiling faces.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 (edited) Catering: All drivers (those who have paid for the day) will have free pizza and soft drinks at lunchtime courtesy of Driver Dynamics.The PFA will have a BBQ serving bacon and egg rolls and later snags in bread, as well as softies and waters, and MARS bars as a BASIC answer to catering until lunchtime. We will also have a coffee truck there as well. We are totally restricted in what food services we can offer and food trucks are not permitted. It would make sense if you have friends and family coming that you self cater. In addition, there are various fast food outlets reasonably close, as well as Springvale Shopping Centre for a dimmy and Fried Rice if your stomach can take it!PLEASE NOTE: The age limit on passengers has been raised to 16 years old. This is a safety measure agreed by Driver Dynamics and the PFA and is not open for discussion. Student cards will be the best source of ID on the day. Unofficial schedule.... (officially posted when confirmed)6.30am team leaders briefing6.45am scrutineers briefing7am trackday drivers arrive to begin scrutineering till 8am. Garages will be allocated after scrutineering and can be accessed then as well.8am Driver Dynamics briefing and then all cars to drive and walk track as final briefing.8am "PFA on DISPLAY" cars arrive and are parked until 9am9am 1st group session begins9.20am 2nd group session9.40am 3rd group session10am 1st group second session10.20am 2nd group second session10.40am 3rd group second session11am 1st group third session11.20am 2nd group third session11.40am 1st Passenger session12pm LUNCHBREAK12.15pm Announcement of awards1pm 2nd Passenger session1.20pm 3rd group third session1.40pm 1st group fourth sessionetc etc...THIS IS NOT CARVED IN STONE, but will give everyone an idea of the timing of the day until the stone tablets arrive.... Edited 31January, 2017 by Kerry BAFE and Mike-S 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Can any one tell me is there 98 fuel on site or near by?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James P Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Can any one tell me is there 98 fuel on site or near by??Yes less than 1km away but not on site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Any instructions for those that are spectating? Places to park etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Any instructions for those that are spectating? Places to park etc? Heaps of room for parking once you come through the gates. Spectating can be from pit lane (Garage side) or via the rooftop. scashin and dan_189 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 If this helps anyone, I couldn't find my tow hook but found my old merc one (w203) and it fits both front and rear (same thread gauge)If anyone in the same boat with a 996/997/987/986 - the below is meant to be compatible; I also bought one of those funky fold down ones for $20 on ebay (JDM style) lol. BMW BMW all series.MINI MINI all series.Porsche 911 carrera 997 996 cayman boxstor 987 986Alfa Romeo 156 159 166 147 GT spider Rolls-Royce RR4 GhostBENZ W169 / W170 / W171 / W203 / W204 / W207 / W209 / W210 / SLK R171 W211 / W212 / W216 / W219 / W220 / W221 / W230 / W245 / W414 Coupe (CL203)2001–2008VW Caddy 2004~ EOS 2006~ GOLF MK5 2004~2009 GOLF MK6 2009~ GTISKADA Superb 5d Station Wagon 2008~Citroen C3VOLVO C30 2010~LEXUS GS300 2002~ LS300 IS250TOYOTA Previa 06~ YARIS Vitz Second generation 2006 2007 2008 2009 HatchbackSUZUKI SWIFT MarutiSMART Fortwo 2004Mitsubishi LANCER FORTIS 2007~ LANCER IO 2007~MAZDA MAZDA 2 MAZDA 6 (Atenza ) 2008~2012 MAZDA 3 2010~ ( For Madaz 6, fit both 1st and 2nd generation)AUDI A3 2004~ A4 B6 B7 B8 Q5 Q7 2009~ TT 1999~2006 TT 2007~ TTRS 2010~ RS3 2011~ Nissan Tidda 4D 5D Honda JAZZ FIT 2008~2012Infiniti Infiniti G37 G35 Just to update this - received my funky hook, it doesn't fit, gauge is too narrow. ($20 loss)so simply adding that the enclosed fitment guide is wack - just incase someone searches tow hook of 996 in the future and references this ; it is wrong. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scashin Posted 31January, 2017 Report Share Posted 31January, 2017 Heaps of room for parking once you come through the gates. Spectating can be from pit lane (Garage side) or via the rooftop. Thanks Hugh.For the spectators is it as simple as parking the car and walking through the gates? Or do we need to go through a special gate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 1February, 2017 Report Share Posted 1February, 2017 Thanks Hugh.For the spectators is it as simple as parking the car and walking through the gates? Or do we need to go through a special gate?Drive in through the gates and you will see where cars, trailers etc. are parked. There will be a security guard on the gate that will ask for a password - we will put a post up on here closer to the day with what that will be. He may just wave you through though if your in a Porsche dan_189 and scashin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 1February, 2017 Report Share Posted 1February, 2017 Drive in through the gates and you will see where cars, trailers etc. are parked. There will be a security guard on the gate that will ask for a password - we will put a post up on here closer to the day with what that will be. He may just wave you through though if your in a Porsche Sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-banger Posted 1February, 2017 Report Share Posted 1February, 2017 6.45am scrutineers briefing7am trackday drivers arrive to begin scrutineering till 8am. Garages will be allocated after scrutineering and can be accessed then as well.@Kerry is there any change of garage allocation prior to scrutineering? I am just thinking that drivers could then unload their cars in their garage first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scashin Posted 1February, 2017 Report Share Posted 1February, 2017 Throwing out an idea. As a lot of us know each other only by our nick name on PFA and not by face. Name tags/stickers with PFA nicks on them would make meeting friends easier P-Kay and Lucky Phil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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