turboT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/1973-Porsche-911-T-F/SSE-AD-3774059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Sold subject to ppi apparently. Well done both of you http://carsales.mobi/cars/photogallery?Id=SSE-AD-3617259&Index=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/1973-Porsche-911-T-F/SSE-AD-3774059 ? GUT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-S Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 No particularly rational reason. But of course it's nice to have books and receipts that fill in the history of the car. But they don't replace a thorough objective assessment of condition. For most of us that drive our cars and don't just look at them waiting for them to appreciate, that's going to be more important.But, having said that, my cars all have their books and records, and I like it So, what if (like my 911) all the books are present, yet in the example of my car the service book shows the last one was carried out by Hamiltons in 1992 at 106k km, now it has 114k on it. I know the car then spent 23 years sat in a warehouse, was used occasionally but certainly not for the last 10 years or so, perhaps had an oil change or 2 and I found it with 113k on the clock. Essentially it's done 7k in 23 years. I found it, brought it back to life, changed everything that needed changing to bring it back to rude health, yet from the books who's really going to believe it's only done 7000 k's in 23 years? I know it's correct from my dealings with the owner and his family, but from now on it's just my word and whether someone is prepared to believe the story. What's that really worth? I'm just curious as to the collectives opinion, that's all. I've had what I would consider to be silly offers made for it (as in, numbers that would've seen me buying turboT's 964, which is a complete no-brainer for me) but I do wonder how much of that is down to the current hype of air cooled and it being a 'less desirable' Targa and therefore seen as attainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Its a ll a game of management of perception… I some years back took my car that I painted the front bar on to a dealer fora trade… he had for an hour and then told me that my car had , a lot of paint and the fact that I was away and never drive my car more than 1-2k in 5 years was impossible , when in fact The car has never been out of my sight or painted other than the bumper when I bought it and when I was travellig , I had someone run my car every few weeks .Stories Stories Stoies When a car get to a certain vintage unless it has full provenance … do we really care , I would rather see the photos for the car in a rotissrie with a full bare metal job and a receipts fo the engine rebuild than the books Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevMcRev Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 So, what if (like my 911) all the books are present, yet in the example of my car the service book shows the last one was carried out by Hamiltons in 1992 at 106k km, now it has 114k on it. I know the car then spent 23 years sat in a warehouse, was used occasionally but certainly not for the last 10 years or so, perhaps had an oil change or 2 and I found it with 113k on the clock. Essentially it's done 7k in 23 years. I found it, brought it back to life, changed everything that needed changing to bring it back to rude health, yet from the books who's really going to believe it's only done 7000 k's in 23 years? I know it's correct from my dealings with the owner and his family, but from now on it's just my word and whether someone is prepared to believe the story. What's that really worth? I'm just curious as to the collectives opinion, that's all. I've had what I would consider to be silly offers made for it (as in, numbers that would've seen me buying turboT's 964, which is a complete no-brainer for me) but I do wonder how much of that is down to the current hype of air cooled and it being a 'less desirable' Targa and therefore seen as attainable. I reckon you should go get it serviced at Porsche and get the next stamp in the book! tomo, ByronBayChris, Mike-S and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-S Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Funnily enough, I have been thinking I should chuck it at Porsche Melbourne for an oil change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 What's that really worth? I'm just curious as to the collectives opinion, that's all. I've had what I would consider to be silly offers made for it (as in, numbers that would've seen me buying turboT's 964, which is a complete no-brainer for me) but I do wonder how much of that is down to the current hype of air cooled and it being a 'less desirable' Targa and therefore seen as attainable. What's it worth? No idea really - it's worth what you're willing to take for it. Not helpful I know but if you don't need to sell, don't have something to do with the cash or haven't got another car you would prefer, then keep and enjoy it.Having just bought a third bloody p car I'm also wondering what they're worth coz justifying keeping 3 is a stretch and I have pondered selling one. But for now, I'm loving them all. I've taken the 930 away down the coast for the weekend - what a ripper car. Who cares what it's worth - too much fun to worry about that. symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Found my 356!Ebay Link Arnage and ByronBayChris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Patina! itsujack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 (edited) So, what if (like my 911) all the books are present, yet in the example of my car the service book shows the last one was carried out by Hamiltons in 1992 at 106k km, now it has 114k on it. I know the car then spent 23 years sat in a warehouse, was used occasionally but certainly not for the last 10 years or so, perhaps had an oil change or 2 and I found it with 113k on the clock. Essentially it's done 7k in 23 years. I found it, brought it back to life, changed everything that needed changing to bring it back to rude health, yet from the books who's really going to believe it's only done 7000 k's in 23 years? I know it's correct from my dealings with the owner and his family, but from now on it's just my word and whether someone is prepared to believe the story. What's that really worth? I'm just curious as to the collectives opinion, that's all. I've had what I would consider to be silly offers made for it (as in, numbers that would've seen me buying turboT's 964, which is a complete no-brainer for me) but I do wonder how much of that is down to the current hype of air cooled and it being a 'less desirable' Targa and therefore seen as attainable. to date I have bought cars because they just 'look right....' And then proceeded to spend $5-$10k the next week making sure they 'work right 'both have had good paperwork, but both sat for two years so I learned my lesson there. But both have been excellent buys.the 964 (still for sale) has books and receipts going back to its birth, but what made me hand over the cash on the spot was an Autohaus sticker on the engine bay. I instantly thought 'this car has been looked after' and I recon getting a sence of this at purchase probably out weighs mountains of paperwork. That said when I took it to Grant at Autohaus to fix some gremlins he took one look at the engine bay and said...."wow, that's our old logo on that sticker. Can't remember when we last looked at this one...?" Edited 8January, 2016 by turboT Arnage, Peter M, Fraz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 (edited) F*@k me. What a great car! Rumour has it the owner has had it with tire kickers and will be shipping it off to CTS on Monday so if you want an aussi delivered 964 4 before CTS tax is added you better get your arse of the couch and contact him. Edited 8January, 2016 by turboT itsujack, Peter M, edgy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 So, what if (like my 911) all the books are present, yet in the example of my car the service book shows the last one was carried out by Hamiltons in 1992 at 106k km, now it has 114k on it. I know the car then spent 23 years sat in a warehouse, was used occasionally but certainly not for the last 10 years or so, perhaps had an oil change or 2 and I found it with 113k on the clock. Essentially it's done 7k in 23 years. I found it, brought it back to life, changed everything that needed changing to bring it back to rude health, yet from the books who's really going to believe it's only done 7000 k's in 23 years? I know it's correct from my dealings with the owner and his family, but from now on it's just my word and whether someone is prepared to believe the story. What's that really worth? I'm just curious as to the collectives opinion, that's all. I've had what I would consider to be silly offers made for it (as in, numbers that would've seen me buying turboT's 964, which is a complete no-brainer for me) but I do wonder how much of that is down to the current hype of air cooled and it being a 'less desirable' Targa and therefore seen as attainable. Stamps in a book mean nothing IMHO,just because the oil has been changed by a dealer does not mean the owner has any idea how to drive or look after a car. A fully stamped book could belong to a low mileage car that has never once been up to full operating temperature due to only doing short trips, or gets the shit thrashed out of it in too low a gear by an owner who can`t drive.A PPI by a well respected mechanic, if you are not confident in your own judgment is the only way to determine a cars mechanical condition. A magical " full service history" only means something to someone who has no idea what atrocities an imbecile can perpetrate on an automobile. TrevMcRev, Peter M, Claywong and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 ....atrocities an imbecile can perpetrate......Easily my favourite phrase of the week! TrevMcRev, ByronBayChris and GC9911 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Easily my favourite phrase of the week! You have always been "easy" to please, Pete .... michel and Peter M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl888 Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 If one defines "Books" as specifically the service booklet which is unique to the car (As opposed to the owners handbook or dealer directory which is easily replaceable) then the car with books has a substantial advantage over one that does not. The service book provides:1. The first owners details.2. The selling dealer.3. The date of delivery.4. Usually the data card listing the options including the type of car and the paint code.5. At least in the early part of the cars life, service stamps. What the stamps allow you to do is approach the dealer with the invoice number and date of service, you'll usually be able to get a copy of the work performed if this was not provided with the car at the time of sale.All the above is possible to track down without the service book, but it's a LOT harder. 6. The final item is mileage substantiation. A stamp in the book doesn't mean that great work has been performed, but what it does do is provide a date and a mileage component. A car with the service books backed up by receipts for regular maintenance is something one should expect. Even if the owner performs all the maintenance themselves, they would still have a record of consumables such as oil, fluids, battery, tyres etc.There is no reason for any vehicle not to have a service book. It's unique to the car and serves no purpose in any other car. Of course, sometimes books go missing. Maybe they've been stolen or misplaced, or the owner has just been plain careless and left them on a shelf in the garage. In that case, the owner would have substantiating paperwork. No books and no supporting paperwork means no maintenance and the owner being particularly indifferent to the needs of the vehicle. Not that these cars should be avoided, just that one must adjust the pricing accordingly because it won't be turnkey. ByronBayChris, Rob, Mike-S and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnage Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 My car has "Books" & its for sale, look http://porscheforum.com.au/topic/8028-carrera-30-1977-for-sale/#comment-144560 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 In my line of work (Analytical Chemist) we adhere to the maxim: "If it's not written down, it hasn't been done!" This is reinforced by external auditing every 12 months, with corrective actions required if all is not as it should be. Over 40years in the profession, the discipline naturally enough carries over into personal life. Hence, all of our vehicles have individual hand-written log books with detail down to fuel and oil fill-ups, verified by receipts for the materials used, in a separate ring folder. Overkill? Maybe, but when you ask yourself the question "how old IS that battery?" you don't have to rely on a fading memory or rat through a drawer full of dog-eared receipts to find the answer.That said, does it matter when you're trading in a vehicle with a dealer? When we traded my wife's 530D last year (depreciation? I'll show you depreciation...) all they were interested in was the service stamps in the log book, not the detailed stuff. But, when selling an enthusiast vehicle such as a Porsche, to another enthusiast, those details are appreciated and indicate an ongoing interest in the maintenance of the vehicle. D-banger, ByronBayChris, SteveF and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiller Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 ^^^ I agree completely, I have done the same thing with previous cars and do so with the GT3 also. Results in a lot less questions at selling time especially with pedantic folk who like to ask lots of questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 There is no reason for any vehicle not to have a service book. It's unique to the car and serves no purpose in any other car. Of course, sometimes books go missing. Maybe they've been stolen or misplaced, or the owner has just been plain careless and left them on a shelf in the garage. In that case, the owner would have substantiating paperwork. No books and no supporting paperwork means no maintenance and the owner being particularly indifferent to the needs of the vehicle. Not that these cars should be avoided, just that one must adjust the pricing accordingly because it won't be turnkey. From my experience, books are generally deliberately lost so you don't know the full extent of the abuse.... ByronBayChris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 Might explain my divorce symsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 Might explain my divorce Might explain both my divorces.. are we talking about service records or operating manual.. Either way , I dont think mine came with them or probably never read themAre there any cars for sale or more importantly have any cars sold in January ?Oh this is a casual prompt for those with metal to move to chime in Come on someone must have a count going on December 964's , A/C Sc's and 3.2s , TT's , GT3's vs now and you can Add 928's if you wanna see a trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELSPORTO Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 Wayne's 3.0 carrera LHD ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James P Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 Wayne's 3.0 carrera LHD ...Do you know the car or any of its history? What do you think it's worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 9January, 2016 Report Share Posted 9January, 2016 These pictures have grabbed me surfing a few times I know we kinda discussed this , has anyone seen it … Make me an offer does that start at $55k or something and work upward .. is this the new trend of the seasonhttp://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-1971/SSE-AD-3499293/?Cr=14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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