James P Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 23 minutes ago, clutch-monkey said: i'll second that. they need work to get rid of the doughy mid range. or put the engine in an impact bumper car. which i did. the 996 GT3 i had did everything better, had effective aircon, six speed etc. maybe if people put GT3 engines into 964's and 993's they would be more appealing.. Agree.. all the 964's I've driven are sluggish & i really don't see what the appeal is (unless its a 964 cup).. they were one of the cheapest 911's for a long time for a reason.. DJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 Maybe its just the Nostalgia factor that helps get the premiums? It's gotta be... look at all IB pricing, the pricing on those I just cannot come to terms with! Hypothetically, if I was faced with the choice of eliminating a generation of 911.. it would be the IB cars, I just can't get down with those... and for me, it was the car on the posters in the bedroom wall, so was the Countach & F40... I know what I'd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 1 hour ago, James P said: Agree.. all the 964's I've driven are sluggish & i really don't see what the appeal is (unless its a 964 cup).. they were one of the cheapest 911's for a long time for a reason.. i've been told that to liven up the mid range you need to add the cup cams or sport RS cams or something (don't remember). couldn't tell you if this works because whilst i did do this, the engine was already in my SC lol. which made it very lively. i have a 964 turbo though and i do love the handling of the 964 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rufmichan Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 1 hour ago, James P said: they were one of the cheapest 911's for a long time for a reason.. I'm curious to know what specifically changed, i.e 964 price climbed significantly while 911 SC remains on relatively the lower end? Was it just general boom in AC value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 37 minutes ago, rufmichan said: I'm curious to know what specifically changed, i.e 964 price climbed significantly while 911 SC remains on relatively the lower end? Was it just general boom in AC value? General boom in AC value. Supposed purist AC factor (964 being most 'pure' whatever that means). Bad Boys factor. Singer factor. Perfect storm of events really. SCs were always worth less though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondiscwb Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 Hi all Remember that black RSR tribute with the turbo motor we were discussing last week with almost no history? I've been talking with Richmonds about it and asked for some photos of the engine and chassis numbers. These match what was on the rego papers (exp Jan 2020) and a PPSR search shows nothing wrong either. However, is it just me or does the engine serial number (from beside the fan housing) look a little bit scratched on (see pic)? I've seen other examples and those have been stamped much more deeply and neater, often with stars at both ends. The number, if correct, matches the range for an engine from 1985, 3.3L turbo ROW, 221kW, and matches the engine type stamped further back (930/66) but... Appreciate if anyone has an informed view of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 I would say it’s going to be a turbo motor, because turboing a 3.2 you likely wouldn’t bother with factory turbo 3.3 intake intake etc (the port size and intake manifold size don’t properly match, the 3.2 manifold is superior for turbo charging as well) a turbo 3.2 is a weapon in its own right and you’d want to advertise it as such as it has several advantages over a 3.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 1 hour ago, consideringa911 said: Hi all Remember that black RSR tribute with the turbo motor we were discussing last week with almost no history? I've been talking with Richmonds about it and asked for some photos of the engine and chassis numbers. These match what was on the rego papers (exp Jan 2020) and a PPSR search shows nothing wrong either. However, is it just me or does the engine serial number (from beside the fan housing) look a little bit scratched on (see pic)? I've seen other examples and those have been stamped much more deeply and neater, often with stars at both ends. The number, if correct, matches the range for an engine from 1985, 3.3L turbo ROW, 221kW, and matches the engine type stamped further back (930/66) but... Appreciate if anyone has an informed view of this. Looks pretty standard to me (ex 930 owner). Does it really matter with a car like this, being non matching numbers and quite modified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondiscwb Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 Thanks @OBRUT - good to hear from you. No - I don't care about non-matching numbers in this case. It was more about whether the engine might have been part of a stolen car and someone had done a rough job to try and give it a new life - and then later on, it catches up with me and I get left with nothing ...😒 Geez tho' - I would have thought Porsche could do a better job of number stamping 😁 55 minutes ago, clutch-monkey said: I would say it’s going to be a turbo motor, because turboing a 3.2 you likely wouldn’t bother with factory intake etc (the port size and intake manifold size don’t properly match, the 3.2 is superior for turbo charging as well) a turbo 3.2 is a weapon in its own right and you’d want to advertise it as such as it has several advantages over a 3.3 I didn't know that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoHeadsTas Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 39 minutes ago, consideringa911 said: Thanks @OBRUT - good to hear from you. No - I don't care about non-matching numbers in this case. It was more about whether the engine might have been part of a stolen car and someone had done a rough job to try and give it a new life - and then later on, it catches up with me and I get left with nothing ...😒 Geez tho' - I would have thought Porsche could do a better job of number stamping 😁 Proves they're hand built 🙂 clutch-monkey and Bondiscwb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 27April, 2020 Report Share Posted 27April, 2020 10 hours ago, consideringa911 said: Thanks @OBRUT - good to hear from you. No - I don't care about non-matching numbers in this case. It was more about whether the engine might have been part of a stolen car and someone had done a rough job to try and give it a new life - and then later on, it catches up with me and I get left with nothing ...😒 Geez tho' - I would have thought Porsche could do a better job of number stamping 😁 I didn't know that! The 3.2 manifold is a common go to conversion on turbo motors especially for those using efi. You wouldn’t convert a 3.2 manifold to a 3.3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 3.3 manifolds can get in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzmister Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-porsche-911-carrera-s-997-manual/SSE-AD-6581108/?Cr=12 Looks like a pretty honest car? Would be a DD. Has anyone had a look at this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 10 minutes ago, juzmister said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-porsche-911-carrera-s-997-manual/SSE-AD-6581108/?Cr=12 Looks like a pretty honest car? Would be a DD. Has anyone had a look at this one? Dont know the car, but looks like a good one..nice colour combo! juzmister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzmister Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 1 hour ago, edgy said: Dont know the car, but looks like a good one..nice colour combo! The IMS has not been done. Wonder if it needs doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 38 minutes ago, juzmister said: The IMS has not been done. Wonder if it needs doing? Not much of a problem on this generation, but being an early 997 may be doable depending on the engine number. Later ones you can’t get to it anyway. If it’s an early enough car to change it, just wait until clutch time. Hamilton’s would probably say the same thing. juzmister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 42 minutes ago, juzmister said: The IMS has not been done. Wonder if it needs doing? To my knowledge it’s not able to be done on the 3.8 motor without pulling the motor apart... that’s probably why it hasn’t been done. On the 3.6 motors you can access it by removing only the transmission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzmister Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 1 hour ago, base said: Not much of a problem on this generation, but being an early 997 may be doable depending on the engine number. Later ones you can’t get to it anyway. If it’s an early enough car to change it, just wait until clutch time. Hamilton’s would probably say the same thing. December 2014 build - so I think it’s one of the early ones? Clutch was done at 125k - it’s probably due anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelrik911 Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 2 hours ago, juzmister said: The IMS has not been done. Wonder if it needs doing? The issue with these (especially in the UK) is bore scoring rather than IMS. juzmister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzmister Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 Too much anxiety for a DD I think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 3 hours ago, juzmister said: Too much anxiety for a DD I think.. Too many people get hung up in IMS bearings. The most notorious were the 996.2's. I believe a class action was filed overseas against Porsche for the IMS issues covering 996.1, 996.2 and 997.1. They later dropped 996.1 and 997 as there were not enough cases. 996.1 is much more common than 997, and you would have to be extremely unlucky to have an issue with it. juzmister and Dave997S 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kov Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 8 hours ago, juzmister said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-porsche-911-carrera-s-997-manual/SSE-AD-6581108/?Cr=12 Looks like a pretty honest car? Would be a DD. Has anyone had a look at this one? Love that colour! Pretty sure it was same one that was advertised late last year by a fellow that was moving to the US. It dropped as low as 67k, then it sold... I was half tempted but being a kms nazi (don’t judge me) and it being in QLD it wasn’t the one for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juzmister Posted 28April, 2020 Report Share Posted 28April, 2020 51 minutes ago, kov said: Love that colour! Pretty sure it was same one that was advertised late last year by a fellow that was moving to the US. It dropped as low as 67k, then it sold... I was half tempted but being a kms nazi (don’t judge me) and it being in QLD it wasn’t the one for me. Classic! That’s the one. His friend sold it to him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted 29April, 2020 Report Share Posted 29April, 2020 Here is a nice 997 for sale for $74,000. He also has a 356 speedster for sale https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-Porsche-911-Carrera-997-Manual/SSE-AD-6625898?pageSource=details&id=SSE-AD-6625898 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevB Posted 29April, 2020 Report Share Posted 29April, 2020 28 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said: Here is a nice 997 for sale for $74,000. He also has a 356 speedster for sale https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-Porsche-911-Carrera-997-Manual/SSE-AD-6625898?pageSource=details&id=SSE-AD-6625898 Got a link for the 356 speedster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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